"We all have to recognize that we have to cinch up our belts, and we haven't done that in a decade," he said of military spending.I want you to read the below email with a pen an paper ready (Marines may want to use a pencil).
Add up what has already been spent on the professional Onanism, and then add in the not-too-subtle D&G from N41.
For those who have deployed in theater recently and could not get the Navy supply system to do even basic uniform support to the point you had to borrow from others or have family purchase and mail to you (yes me); ponder that money.
Also ponder the upper pay-grade cost per hour in the To:/CC: lines.
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From: Dussault, Kathleen M RADM OPNAV, N41Don't get me wrong - I like nice displays ... but ... do you know how much work a taxpayer has to do in order to pay for this? How many taxpayers it takes? Money that does not go to their children so it can go to Uncle Sam instead? Have we pondered how many cars you can buy for that?
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 10:55
To: '[redacted], Jonathan D SES'; [redacted], Robert CAPT OPNAV N42, OPNAV N42B; [redacted], Timothy S RDML OPNAV N43; [redacted], Vince J SES OPNAV, N43; [redacted], Will A CDR OPNAV, N43; [redacted], Philip H RADM OPNAV, N45; [redacted], John P SES OPNAV, N45B; [redacted], Jason H CIV OPNAV; [redacted], David M RDML OPNAV, N46; [redacted], Robert A CAPT OPNAV N46, OPNAV N46B
Cc: [redacted], Peter M CAPT OPNAV, N4; [redacted], Aimee B CIV OPNAV, N415; [redacted], Robert CAPT OPNAV N41 CoS; [redacted], Ronald K CAPT OPNAV N41, N413; [redacted], Babak A LCDR OPNAV, N41; [redacted], Greg C LCDR, OPNAV N4, N4A2
Subject: OPNAV N4 2nd Deck E-Ring Passageway Exhibit/Display Request
Good Morning,
Now that we can call the Pentagon our "home," and to brand our E-Ring passageway with the symbols and displays that capture the essence of our contributions to the Navy and Department of Defense, CAPT Ron [redacted] has officially requested permission (via DON/AA-Mr. John [redacted]) to the DoN Corridor Committee to install three exhibits along the E-Ring bulkhead.
Location: 2nd Deck, E-Ring from Corridors 2 to 2.5 Exhibit 1: Between 2E284 (N41) and 2E274 (N42/N46) Exhibit 2: Between 2E274 (N42/N46) and 2E268 (N43) Exhibit 3: Between 2E268 (N43) and 2E258 (N45)
Because the DoN Corridor Committee is new and still trying to determine how they plan to proceed, there is a moratorium on all new displays/exhibits (previous approved requests were grandfathered). However, since the request has been submitted, upon approval, we can proceed with due diligence to install and present quality themes that highlight our mission.
There are 2 display firms that do 90% of the business in the Pentagon, Smart Design and Blair. The average display costs approximately $250,000-$300,000 (i.e., "Golden 13"-the thirteen African American enlisted men who became the first African American commissioned and warrant officers in the United States Navy). There is a low-cost alternative being considered by some Navy offices to use the Naval History & Heritage Command (approximately $10,000-$15,000). The Command will do this on a collateral basis (not their full-time focus), and the displays are historical in nature with demos about to be installed within the vicinity of the VCNO/ACMC (prototype; others will determine if that's the low-cost approach they may prefer to consider).
FYI (for reference): The two Navy Supply Corps displays (grandfathered) on 4th deck, Corridor 4, cost approximately $75,000 each, with a third display in progress (total: ~$225,000). Smart Design did the first two displays and were "awesome" in their support and process.
Considering the cost and investment in the venture, I would like to propose CAPT [redacted] (Chair) and CDR [redacted] (N41 AO) work with a select group of N4_Division volunteers (NTE ~2 per Division) that can discuss an N4 theme and reference current Pentagon displays to synergize a consistent design that expresses naval logistics excellence. An important distinction in exhibits is enduring (i.e., Navy Supply-static in nature) vs. dynamic (i.e., Navy Medal of Honor awardees at 4th Deck A-Ring Apex-fluid, glass encased bulletin board for rotating/revising images such as the annual Admiral Stan Arthur award recipients, NLI/JLE initiatives/success stories, and environmental/energy news/initiatives). I'm sure N45 and their Public Affairs staff would have some amazing ideas in mind. If you concur, please submit the names of your volunteers to CAPT [redacted] and CDR [redacted] NLT COB, Fri., 02Sep. CAPT [redacted]'s intention is to present an initial recommendation (pending future vendor proposals) to DIVDIRs NLT COB Fri., 30Sep.
Once the request is approved by the DoN Corridor Committee, and an N4_general theme/medium is determined and funding level is confirmed, volunteer representatives from the Divisions will coordinate with CDR [redacted] and the vendor (preference for Smart Design since they already bring experience/consistency from Navy Supply displays) to design and install the display. All else being equal (pending CRA) and moratorium is lifted, the target date for installation is NLT Fri., 16Dec.
Please direct any questions or concerns you may have to CAPT [redacted].
VR/Kathleen
Rear Admiral Kathleen Dussault SC, USN
Director, Supply, Ordnance and Logistics Operations Division Office of the
Chief of Naval Operations OPNAV N41
2000 Navy Pentagon
2E284
Washington, DC 20350-2000
[redacted]@navy.mil
703-695-[redacted]
You can get a top-line Fiat 500 (natch) for $25,000. Add it up.
As a side note - this was going to be posted a couple of weeks ago, but I held back to get comment from the N41 shop. On the advice of a PAO I have the greatest respect for and is a true professional, but sadly this shop is out of his mandate, I asked who was the right person to go through. He gave me the right person's POC info, so I tried to be nice and ask for comment or additional information. Oops.
I tried the LCDR at OI-31, but she punted me to the LT on duty at the Navy News Desk Action Officer, Navy Office of Information in the Pentagon. After an initial "How can I help you..." email - no response to any of my questions. Zilch.
So, that just reinforces my opinion of the PAO system in general in the Navy. Shame, I have met some good ones - but the problem is deep and the quality is spotty.
My bust - I should have known better. I feel stupid in that I let them delay a story. My fault. Next time I'll just blind side you N41 types.
So, that just reinforces my opinion of the PAO system in general in the Navy. Shame, I have met some good ones - but the problem is deep and the quality is spotty.
My bust - I should have known better. I feel stupid in that I let them delay a story. My fault. Next time I'll just blind side you N41 types.
BTW - I am still waiting for my fleece, second set of DCUs, and ... whatever.
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Meanwhile we cutting how many people due to budget issues? So much for the new tone from yesterday >:o .
Does anyone remember when the Pentagon was an open building to any with a simple ID? I was young but still remember the Medal of Honor hall and the hall of exhibits the doctors/pathologists had set up with exhibits dating back to the Civil War. I roamed at will as a 9 year old boy. I had my dad's office # written on my hand so if I got lost almost anybody could get me back to the Major's office. Now that I think about it, nobody once ever stopped me and asked me about what I was doing.
In the N4 realm, less than a $100 million is peanuts. These folks routinely pay the bills for the presidential support missions and VX-1 and Camp David and to be honest, I think that logistics deserves an honorable mention at the Pentagon E-ring even if practically nobody ever sees it.
Each exhibit funds the salary of two personnel whose jobs will be cut when Alt POM is made public.
This is your steely-eyed combat-hardened Admiral-infantrywoman, innit, Sal?
Seventy-five GRAND? EACH? What the hell are they displaying? The total ($225,000) could build me a HOUSE!
BTW, Mullen's assertion that we haven't "tightened our belts" in ten years is horse sh*t. The rise in defense spending not only was because of the War on Terror, but to make up for the personnel and systemic shortfalls left by Clinton's "Peace Dividend", and the "construction holiday" of major end items. What the hell does HE know about belt-tightening?
That little weasel should take off his Nimitz suit and serve out the rest of his time walking patrols in Salman Pak with a platoon of 25 trying to do what a platoon of 41 should be doing.
I work in an ivory tower of corporate america and see this daily. People on the pointy end of the stick (or in front of the customer)do without so a higher priority project gets funded. Supply corps? YGTBSM... What are they putting in there, a working full scale high-line and transfer rig? Well ADM Greenert, here's your chance to show the world 2 things: you and your staff are savvy enough to read Phib, and that marketing to the other services and SES in the 5-sided wind tunnel is not war fighting, not first, and not happening.
That last sentence is golden. I would "like" if this commie bastard JS-Kit wouldn't kick me out....
It won't be cut. It has the Magnificent 7? Wonderful 13? Sorry, Golden 13. I actually don't mind that their pictures are on display showing how far the Navy has come, but holy crap! Are they building an interactive holo-deck for these gentlemen? Hello, Waste, Fraud and Abuse hotline!
Cognitive dissonance personified. Or better yet, tin ear. Where's Stalin when you really need him (or Mao for that matter...)
w/r, SJS
How about all displays will be at the personal expense of the Officer in charge of the space? Or just no expense to the government and contractor participation no authorized?
AND...if you really want to see over the top opulance on display, head over to Redstone Arsenal and checkout VonBraun III (or VBII, or the new MSIC building...you get the point).
w/r, SJS
When I saw is was the Supply Corps doing this the first thing through my mind was an interactive 1250 form or something. I couldn't think of anything else they could do. Maybe pictures of all the coffee pots they took off the boats back in the 70's?
Here's one for you. We have a Navy Historical Command. We have a Navy Museum. Onboard Washington Navy Yard, we also have an entire building dedicated to "Navy Artwork." There are warehouses full of paintings, large framed photographs and statues that are not on display. Why not just put one of our "already funded" commands to work doing the job that they were originally stood up to do?
I laugh when I see displays like the MARSTRAT display near OPNAV N86. $50K down the tube...then there is the HADR display near the USCG hallway. $200K down the tube. AT LEAST.
then you have the MacArthur display. Nothing to over-the-top. Just some display cases of his personal affects from all different points in his life. Tells the story of the man. And it is possibly the best display in the Pentagon. Well, that and the Hall of Heroes.
Someone please post some of the relevant Alt POM highlights.
Sounds to me like someone got "fleeced."
But, come on Sal, you know this is money that has been budgeted and if it isn't spent, well, they won't get the same amount next year for some other "we are wonderful" project.
Remember, this is Washington, where a "budget cut" is a decrease in the increase in spending.
When you just spent some $600M(?) on a sinlge LCS, spending $225k on a display case seems like a value proposition.
Gonna double like this one.
Eagle,
That would be fine if there weren't a line as long as a C-5 runway of junior Officers and NCOs that will not be able to attend valuable training or school seats because of the places where money really does disappear.
They're getting gouged.
The Hall of Heroes is the only display they should have there. To remind everyone what they are supposed to be doing and supporting. Oh, and that display that shows the Congressional approval to build the Pentagon was all written on one piece of paper.
Here at our command, the halls have tons of photos of troops in action. My favorite is the MoH hall. I like to read the pictures/citations displayed on the wall. There are a lot with black ribbons on them though. Simple is better.
Spending like this needs to be cut off at the knee-caps. It sets a horrible example. There are small military shops (shore or at sea) that could use that kind of cash in their budget. Maybe it is time we just randomly fire every 4th person in the Pentagon. Big good to find out how other services are misappropriating money in this fashion.
Gouged? More like mugged. I'm on the board for a small museum. We're currently transforming about 1500 sq feet of exhibit space, including demolition of old walls and putting up new. Add in paint, printing of text and mounting plaques, construction of exhibit architecture, and miscellaneous expenses and we'll come in at well under $15K for a permanent exhibit expected to last at least ten years, with room planned in for additional artifacts and temporary exhibits.
Temporary exhibits, which usually take up about 200 sq feet, using current inventory of display cases, typically run $500 for a fresh coat of paint, consumable materials, and printing expenses.
If you're ordering everything from Gaylord, sure you can run up several hundred thousand just in hardware. But when you've got talented people in-house who can fabricate for you; when you've got people who believe in the story you're telling who are willing to donate or find sponsors, when you have ENTIRE COMMANDS that are dedicated to preserving and exhibiting naval history who could do this job for you -- well, this is just malfeasance.
Off to write to my Congress critter, who just happens to serve on the HASC.
<span>...synergize a consistent design that expresses naval logistics excellence...</span>
Must...control...fist...of...death...
I could get this job done for about $50 in materials plus a Saturday with a squad of Naval Academy plebes lead by a MIDN 2/c. Give them the research project for professional development purposes, then bus them over to the Pentagon for the installation. Labor cost - zero. Leadership experience - huge. Professional training value - priceless.
<span><span>...synergize a consistent design that expresses naval logistics excellence...</span> </span>
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'phib -- there's some more BS bingo words for your header right there, BTW...
w/r, SJS
<span><span><span>We could take </span>Rear Admiral Dussault<span> and all the other superfluous Navy flag officers offshore, sink them in shallow water, and build a very nice artificial reef. Other than that, they aren't good for much.</span></span></span>
It is time for an update .... isn't it?
An "update" is evolutionary and not revolutionary. You need something transformational.
I might be persuaded to turn the <span>Naval History & Heritage Command loose with a $10K budget for a permanent set of displays.</span>
However, $250-300K? YGBFSM! And, no, I don't care if all the other cool kids are spending that much!
What is the waste, fraud and abuse hotline number?
Ms. ADM Kathy whatshername should be ashamed. And all those copy to folks should be ashamed that they have not had the guts to say "This is just plain wrong, and a waste of scarce resources!"
easy fix would be for dsd (dod's chief management officer) to tell da&m (works for dsd) and whs (pentagon mayor & works for da&m) to put a moratorium on spending money towards pentagon passage way displays.
but this idea involves leadership.
blame dussault (retiring next summer) all you want for passage way envy, but someone who owns all the passage ways could put his foot down.
If CNO issues a swift and public rebuke of this project, we know he is serious. If he allows it to stay on course, we know that he is not.
Actions. not words?
Calling the IG's office...hello...hello...is anybody there? Hello o'...
Back in the day, you'd get the BMs, Carpenter Mates and other artistic individuals to do your "Displays". Most of the materials would come from the Midnight Requisition Center for Excellence....
Must control boot of steel 8-)
Former Pork Chop and Contracting type here.
Sad to see a RADM,SC,USN quote as justification that (only) two firms have captured 90% of the Puzzle Palace display business at a (not surprising) high cost.
Whatever happened to the FWA hotline ?
Just make it ... epic ...with the right opticals ...so it all coalesces into the perfect storm ;) (h/t to YN1)
w/r, SJS
B - those have suffered early decommissions and foreign military displays in order to make room for newer, shinier, and less capable displays at greatly increased cost and project management man-hours.
On a side note - what kind of display would Admiral Dwight Schrute construct?
Make it every other person and you are on to something
Sal, you had me at "DoN Corridor Committee." Amazing. And here I was thinking about a billet there. Nevermind that now - I'll take a career hit if it means staying operational.
Is this why we couldn't afford to do all the training we were required to do this year?
<span>??????? WTH!!?? PAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have plenty of momentos and history in the Navy Archives... Plenty of decomissioned ships and squadrons and commands...
as for the "Golden 13" .. Yawn... how about including NAVY NAUTICAL stuff... like stuff that matters.. take for example, Flags and Battle Ensigns, Compasses and Ships Bells, Telegraphs and Spy Glasses. Score Boards from our great Carriers of WW2? I have many many more ideas that are better than this "Golden Thirteen crap"... START GETTING INCLUSIVE instead of EXCLUSIVE... Navy!!! </span>
IG is too busy making his own display to answer the phone... "Battle Judges in Combat" .. motif
any macarthur display in the navy part of the pentagon has to have a copy of the not so famous picture of him right after the ceremony heading for a certain hatchway that only battleship sailors know whats behind.
C
Couldn't we just put one of these out there?
In my experience, almost anything worth doing can be done most efficiently under the leadership of a PO2...the really critical things a USCG PO2.
Not disaagreeing with you about many other options for display.
But first, to start with the Golden Thirteen. Those Oral History interviews, audio recordings, photos, eventual book and some (later) video are all a part of the US Naval Institute archive - which is repeatedly made available free of charge to commands. Now that I know the amount of money involved perhaps we should change our mindest?
This amount of money - and going through a third-party vendor is atrocious. Is this not why we have a NHHC or the Naval Institute archives?
These displays are not that big, NHHC anad USNI should make it a prioity to help - especially in a well-travelled place like the Pentagon. The Naval Institute actually does try this - to that end we have decades of CNO portaits which we have allowed on permanent loan AT NO CHARGE to the SECNAV's corridor. And we will contuniue to do this - not b/c the Navy is gracious (we rarely get recognition) but because it is our mission.
It is really frustrating that the Navy doesn't engage NHHC or USNI.
Hey son sorry we couldnt get you the training nessesary for you to do your job. Or the weapons of systems vital for success and saving your life But we need a few new displays in the pentegon, some more gold stars for the admirals and ALOT of money to make some more ships that dont do anything but make some admiral rich when he retires..........
Anyways i'll come back again soon hopefully next week. Good news! The doctor says that they wont have to take your arm off as the infection went away that means you wont be a quadruple ampute! And the burn marks are healing over 80% of your body. Hope you come out of that coma real soon son. Well i have to go the board is giving me a medal those two weeks i served in kandahar telling them about the synergy we are using to make a better navy.
<span>CAPT Ron [redacted] has officially requested permission...</span>
Captain Ron??? I love that movie!!! :D
You would sure think that getting rid of every single fighter that Naval Aviation owned would count as belt tighening. Well, they will make do with fighter bombers, after all, there really isn't any difference, is there?
And all the REAL Bos'n Mates, Carpenters and such have long since packed their seabags for the last time.
Where did you find a photo of a Maus?
You should see some of the Army and USAF displays in the funhouse... much additional misappropriation. But the Golden 13 and related Flag/SES DoN diversity corridor might take the cake wrt over the top displays... Right down the p-way from Presidents w/Navy Service, and using the same design theme.
YHGTBFKM! $75,000 on a freaking display in the Pentagon. One isn't bad enough...gotta have 3 of them. $225K will pay for an FFG's consumable budget for a year. $22K will allow you to make a worn mess decks look new again. That's 10 ships that will do without because some freaking moron wants to put a 3 displays of the Supply Corps in the Pentagon. This reeks of waste, fraud, and abuse, and is the exact negative notoriety that fuels defense spending reduction efforts...aka Barney Frank and his group. Disgusting!!!
No it is not! Waste, fraud, and abuse is waste, fraud, and abuse whether it is $600M, $225K, or $1.
Sal - Word has it you can reach N41 personnel about 1000 every day during RADM D -led pushups in the E-ring areas mentioned in your post.
Exactly. Used to tell folks that came up with hairbrained ideas like $225K for a display case that we can't use our scarce OPTAR/OMN funds for this, only OWN funds can be used...i.e. words to the effect, your own freaking money if you want to defraud the taxpayers of which I am one.
Less people, less ships, less everything. That about summarizes it.
Or you could just get permission & access to high quality photos from the archives and skip on down to the local DAPS to get large prints for framing...
Hell, I think the USNI folks would cut you a better deal on large archive prints.
TWO sets of DCUs?
Shipmate, what do you think this is - the PLAN?
You'll get one DCU and half a Veggie Omelet MRE and you'll like it.
BTW front porch - he is serious.
We would. Practically every large photo at Great Lakes is ours...as are the ones at the O Club at USNA. This is not the result of a senior contacting another senior. Mostly it is the result of someone calling with a request to be filled and we do it...with people on staff who have a solid knowledge base of the content...and we answer a phone, and turn around within a few days.
<span>so from 1000.00 until 1000.10, after completing the "daily </span><span>7" pushups?</span>
I guess she didn't read the dispatch from the new CNO or she just missed this part: "...<span> WE WILL BE JUDICIOUS WITH OUR RESOURCES..."</span>
My first USAF OIC (1957) was a lady major (please, no "majorette" jokes). I totally respected her and don't have a mysogenistic bone in my old body, so my problem is not with her gender.
I'd like to know this woman's career path. Evidently it's been removed from/of a lot of reality.
Well if the CNO was smart he would come over to N41 and say "Thank you! Go to the Disbursing officer for your last pay check and here is your terminal leave chit already bottom lined by me starting today at 0900." and then file a message basicaly saying "When I sayd being judicious with resources, I am not playing around. See so-and-so, they were let go because they weren't understanding my intentions about preserving not only our sailors, our platforms and our money!"
Then I woke up from the dream and realized the world has started to make me jaded to how leaders say and what they mean. Isn't there a phrase out there saying "Words mean something"?
I wonder if she can push a deck of cards. Yaay, a "2." Ugh, the Ace, again?! Mother effer! How many are in this deck and why do I keep getting them?!
Don't forget the "ante" into the pot. After every third card, a set of twenty four-count pushups!!!!!
press one for english
I kept the Joker in. That was a 50 (when I was younger and training). I am less ambitious now. :)
<span>Requirement: "...that can discuss an N4 theme and reference current Pentagon displays to synergize a consistent design that expresses naval logistics excellence." </span>
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<span>Instead of $300K, how about a picture of an UNREP. Total cost if you get a decent frame...about $300.</span>
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</p><p><span><span>For F*%k Sake! These people will never get it and an admiral is leading the way!! So much waste! They can spend $250K on a single display and cut 3000 Sailors in the same sentence...there is a deep seeded problem when it come to this kind of waste! People in corporations get fired for this type of BS!</span></span>
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Heck, my office at home has 4 prints from USNI up in it, with plans to add a fifth. Total cost? A few hundred bucks, counting the custom framing jobs I had done on them...
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