Saturday, July 02, 2011

European pickle

Now and then we have to remind everyone - do not confuse our immigration issues with Europe's.

The only problem I have with the USA's is our lack of enforcement of our laws. More Americans coming from Latin Catholic nations?

Good food - and as long as all the Colombian females move to my part of the USA; fine with me.

Europe? Very different kettle of lutefisk.


Yep, that conversation I had over beers with those Finn, Swedish and Danish army officers about what would happen makes more and more sense. Eventually, they will have enough - and they will deal with it in the old European way.

Is it getting bad enough? Another half decade of stats like this - perhaps.

Hat tip Jawa.

84 comments:

ewok40k said...

Puts a new perspective on Danes and Norwegians using up all the LGB/JDAM stores so fast in Libya... sadly politic/ammo supply side is not good enough.
Also, once things get serious enough that media flashmobs will be secondary concern, there are HUGE stockpiles of Cold War unguided ammo to be used.
Ewok out, heading for PC-resistant shelter...

kmadams85 said...

The only problem with using the old European way is that we'll get dragged into it whether we wish so or not.

James said...

But sometimes whether we like it or not or want it or not its the right thing to do the right war to fight.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Perhaps that is one fight we SHOULD be dragged into.  It is a battle for Western, not just European, society and culture.  Always has been.  President Bow-at-the-waist Obama seems unsure of which side to choose.

John said...

'[The rapist] said that he had the right to do as he wanted with women.  That is the way of his religion..."

That alone should be groupds for rejecting any asylum request, and denying entrance to anyone of that (unnamed but be all know it is M****m) religion.  Assuming of course, that we cared enough to enforce ANY of our immigration laws.

In the bad old days, unenlightened rednecks were known to engage in lynching of rapists.  Perhaps that is not as bad as allowing rapists to go unchecked, or to be mollycodled at the hands of a liberal justice system.

If the state fails to provide security, then it falls to the individual to provide their own security.  And, the state needs to back up those forced to handle security on their own, not treat them as if they were rapists.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Funny, John, the state will only provide security for the politically favored, but is doing everything possible to ensure that I cannot provide my own.  Despite my Constitutional guarantees.

Cap'n Bill said...

Some will remember the big media splash WAR  OF  THE  WORLDS.
I never suspected it to be a decent predicter of events. 
Face It ! The Muslim religion is at war with all other folk.

LT B said...

Diversity, it gives you warm fuzzies until you realize that the non-assimilation of these groups that hate all other groups, and consider it a right to abuse/rape women; then the squishy liberal feminists who refuse to cry out in support of the women raped by the protected religion of peace as it will ally them w/ the evil white males wonder wtf is going on.  idiocy.   

Outlaw Mike said...

<span>'Eventually, they will have enough - and they will deal with it in the old European way.'</span>
<span></span>
<span>This is why it would be insane of Europeans to scrap their tank fleets, even if they are obsolete. Are tanks ideal weapons for street fighting? Absolutely not. But the WOULD decide a fight in an urban zone.</span>
<span></span>
<span>Me, submit to islam? Over my dead body.</span> 

Outlaw Mike said...

Ironically, muslims are making our future tasks easier. Everywhere you look in Europe, muslims engage in soft ethnic cleansing, taking neighborhoods over thru demographics and intimidation.

The result is that e.g. Molenbeek, a Brussels commune, is 78% muslim.

A decade from here, it may be 95% if not more. So, if we reduce it to rubble, they themselves will have ensured losses of our own people are reduced to a minimum.

Salty Gator said...

Sal I think that you are glossing over our own American immigration issues.  Even if we did enforce our own immigration laws, we have problems with lack of cultural assimilation.  Folks still speaking only Spanish is a problem.  Creating nations within our American nation is a problem.  Latin American gang violence is a huge problem.

Latin Americans are by and large a hugely productive part of our society.  We need to ensure that they are becoming a part of that society and not developing a separate one.  in the words of the Taco Bell Chihuahua:  JOIN ME, BROTHERS!

sid said...

<span> More Americans coming from Latin Catholic nations?</span>

Thats not the only consideration though...

They also largely come from socialist societies (really, liberal autocracies which followed conservative autocracies), and while there is a strong sense of clan, they very often have a real disdain for participation in a larger civil construct.

May not have said it well (imagine that), but there are some real toxic manifestations of what can only be described as the Latin Invasion of this country...

Anonymous said...

First off, Europe has many of the demographic problems it has because the US was already dragged into it by the people pinpointed by Charles Lindbergh.
Europe, as Pat Buchanan showed in his "Unnecessary War" would have less such problems without American intervention.

Buchanan also has called correctly for a moratorium on ALL immigration since perhaps 1990 or earlier. So Salamander is indeed understaing the problem.
Of course Buchanan has also opposed fighting Israel's wars, which sate the energy and will of the Euro-Americans here. Salamander as, broadly, promoted
fighting those wars.

The result of all this is probably the necessity of Germany and Russia forming a Eurasian axis to preserve White Civilization while the American Euros
fight to regain a chunk of the North American continent in which to flourish after an inevitable  collapse.

James said...

Not to mention i know which sides women i would rather "come to the rescue" of. :)

James said...

"The result of all this is probably the necessity of Germany and Russia forming a Eurasian axis to preserve White Civilization while the American Euros"

BOY, im gonna be real calm and nice and act like a southern gentilmen that i wish to be not the savage redneck son-of-a bitch that i am. So why dot you get on out and take your racist vomit with ya.

Western civilization isnt WHITE. Its the civilization of the Romans, Greeks, British, Franks, And a dozen others who down threw the ages were in many ways some of the lest racist and zenophobic you can find.

jtg said...

Islamic culture and the strict segregation of the men and women foster a culture of rape.

Teenage boys and girls in Islamic countries don't ease into sexuality with boy-girl parties in middle school, hand-holding, games of spin the bottle, etc, etc. There's no slow progression, it's an all-or-nothing deal.

And the high rate of buggery mean the average boy's first sexual experience is often being raped by an older boy or older cousin.  That or it's part of a gang rape to punish a local girl deemed to be a "slut" by the religious authorities.

Most American boys first experience is very tame - just awkwardly making out with some cute girl they went to school with in middle school. Very sweet, very innocent.

Many Muslim boys first sexual experience is violent and hard-core -- being raped by an older boy, or gang-raping the local "slut" to punish her for dressing immodestly. You can imagine how that would warp a young mind and permanently entwine the sexual and the violent -- predisposing them to accept rape as normal.

It's extremely unhealthy. Rape and gang-rape are very common in Islamic countries.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Yeah, the ones that don't look like my uncle....

jtg said...

The future of America in large parts depends on the success we have in assimilating the huge, and still growing, Mexican population. Hispanic immigration to America is overwhelmingly Mexican, so that's the real issue.

The problem is Mexicans tend to be poor, uneducated, and socialist. Democrats obviously don't view this as a problem at all, but as the key to future control of America. I think they are correct. A likely effect of this huge wave of immigration is moving America from a right-of-center country to a left-of-center country. This is a bad thing, but probably baked into the cake.

A lot depends on the unknown. If a Mexican Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson rises to power things could get really bad. California will increasingly face the problem of using their limited tax revenue to pay for retired white public employee pensions, or free health care and welfare to poor Mexicans. There is tremendous opportunity for a charismatic Mexican demagogue to ride the back of racial resentment to power.

At the same time, lower and middle class whites have shown remarkable calm in the face of institutionalised racial discrimination by the govt, large corporations, the military, and academia against white people. Will this continue? I don't know. Right now whites complain about it, but don't do much else. As whites become a minority of the population over the next several decades, I expect to see a rise in white racial identity. This could be a very dangerous thing. Much will depend on whether a charismatic white politico exploits that to rise in power.

History is not on our side. Nations with more ethnic diversity tend to be poorer, more violent, and more corrupt. And, in the long run, they tend to cease being nations and split into their constituent parts. Language and religion are the best predictors for this.

The future and territorial integrity of America probably depends on whether we can convince Mexicans to learn English and abandon Spanish. Data on assimilation show that Mexicans are the slowest to learn English, with a large minority of 3rd generations Mexican Americans still having very poor English skills. The positive spin is that a majority are fluent in English by the 3rd generation, but that should be near 100%.

I personally think we'll muddle through, but will become more socialist, more unequal, and more corrupt. But that's extrapolating from current data, there's no way to predict the effect of a charismatic politician. Racial and ethnic diversity are kindling, and always there for an ambitious, charismatic leader-type to exploit. Just look at how common it is for today's Left to publicly demonize southern whites as redneck, racist scumbags -- the American Left barely acknowledges southern whites as fellow human beings, and it's been an effective political strategy.

spek said...

interesting video - but I don't know enough to have an informed opinion on European immigration issues - i do have one qualified opinion:  Norwegian cops = kinda hot 8-)

Anonymous said...

Enforce existing laws, forbid religious exception, raid and level any area deemed "off limits", kill any and all "religious" police, deport any crimimal from another creed. 

AW1 Tim said...

Two exceptionally easy first steps to solving this problem:

  1.) Remove ALL US Forces from Afghanistan and Iraq and deploy them along our southern border with orders to shoot to kill anyone trying to cross anywhere other than established checlpoints. Anyone wishing to cross INTO Mexico would be granted safe passage, and sufficient water and food and/or petrol for their trip.

  2.) Establish English as the national language and make it illegal for ANY government business at ANY level to be conducted in ANY other language. If the citizen or immigrant cannot speak English, then that person would be required to provide one at his or her own expense.

Anonymous said...

Sorry about your White Guilt complex. The libs have doen a good job on you. Or perhaps the Afrocentrists have comvinced you Romans and Greeks were sub Saharans.

AW1 Tim said...

 James,

  Concur completely. I could care less what color someone's skin is. As long as they arrive legally & assimilate, fully support and defend the Constitution and speak English, they should be welcomed with ioen arms.

butch said...

Y'all should read Victor Davis Hanson's stuff on the negative effects of pervasive illegal Mexican immigration into California.

Remember last week the US soccer team booed at a game aginst Mexico, in Los Angeles?  Not a good sign.

BostonMaggie said...

It's maddening that feminist organizations are silent on this topic. 

I also find it disturbing that the female government official makes excuses for the perpetrators.  "They're poor.  They're unemployed.  They come from traumatized countries."  Seriously?

BostonMaggie said...

Butch, I can't get all heated up about that soccer game.  I the Irish team came to play at Gillette, I'd be hardpressed on who to cheer for.  Did you read the inteviews?  The people were saying they loved America, that they had come here for the marvelous opportunities.  They were greatful, but their hearts belonged to Mexico.  I understand that completely.  Plenty of the Irish-Americans in Boston will tell you their hearts belong to Ireland.  Yet we've been good citizens.

BostonMaggie said...

OK, killing any and all religious police?  Waaaayyyy over the top.

BostonMaggie said...

It's not just a lack of assimilation.  It's not like refusing to speak the language.  It's an act of war.  They are attacking the culture, not just resisting or rejecting it.

BostonMaggie said...

Whew!  I'm safe!

UltimaRatioRegis said...

"<span>Yet we've been good citizens."</span>

Except you and Whitey Bulger.  And your aunt who was running guns to Sinn Fein.  Other than that, no complaints.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

You sure are, baby!

ewok40k said...

...and all that desert terrain training will be really useful in the Apache country  :)
though I dont really think someone who is desperate enough to risk crossing rivers, deserts and move in company of shady smuggler types likely to shoot you and grab your cash will be deterred easily
Only reliable and lasting solution is to export US living standards southwards, support unions in Mexico and Colombia. Mad? not if the resulting wage spikes create dual effect of stopping US capital flowing south and Latin labor moving north.
And re: English, concur, plus add big focus on English teaching in schools. Just not in deconstructionist (Sheyk-speare, the great Arab writer stuff) way...
Also, as I like to remind, it is all good as long as people are trying to immigrate, this means US dream is alive and well. Really troubled countries build walls to keep people from leaving...

James said...

Maggie dont matter. I'm scots irish as is most of the south but if the irish are playing the americans or we have to ever face sown the irish i am ALways on the american side.

My country my people before all others blood doesnt matter against country. Anyone who says different is a tranzi. Or a traitor.

And no im not calling you one but how many have chosin family over country that is what destroys nations.

The Latins who form many gangs call it reconquesta. And i call it the winds of civil war.

James said...

Maggie you expect the Feminist org's to do something about this when they remain entirely silent on say clitoris mutilation in africa or rap being a way of life for women in most of the muslim world.

Feminist organizations are from what ive seen basicly like socialist organizations. Out for themselves forget the 'greater good". Of course usually its "social justice" they dont even talk about the greater good..................funny that.

LT B said...

Well, of course they are quiet about rape and clitoral mutilation.  Look at all the sexual assault and harassment in the EVIL US MILITARY!  I mean, just the other day, a young woman was sexually harassed at the USNA when a group of males failed to invite her out w/ them when they went ashore on their summer cruise.  Oh the humanity! 

Addressing African/Muslim rape has no money in it.  Don't expect it to be addressed.

LT B said...

The freaking IRA would not have lasted w/o American backing!

LT B said...

Yes, but the lack of assimilation sets up the environment that allows that militaristic approach against their new host nation.  I say, you want war, we can accomodate.  The problem is we have to view CAIR and such for what they are.  We still have upper level policy makers that believe there is not a culture war going on.  And yet they will not look to Europe to see how this is going.  Idiots.  For all their elitist educational slants, they sure are crappy at viewing empirical evidence.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

See:  Kennedy, Ted.  And Kennedy, Joe Sr. 

BostonMaggie said...

Again, I was talking about the soccer game, not Latin American gangs.  It's silly to judge someone's patriotism based on who they cheer for at a sporting event.  Was it unpatriotic of Americans to cheer for the Canucks over the Bruins?  

The most ridiculous part of the whole US vs Mexico soccer game nonsense is the fact that out of the whole team only 5 players are actual Americans!

Salty Gator said...

Maggie, rooting for another team other than your own countrymen is not patriotic.  Are you really hard pressed on who to root for between the Irish and the Americans?  Really?  I'm shocked to hear you say that.  I have family in Europe.  I hope and pray that we stomp a mud hole in those pricks every time we go up against them, God Bless Their Souls.

And yes, it is unpatriotic to cheer for the Canucks over the Bruins.  The Bruins beat my beloved Flyers, and yet there I was eating Bruins toast every morning before they played the Canucks at night.  Why?  Because it is all about America. Period.

What is your definition of "actual Americans?"  Is my girlfriend an actual American even though she was born in the Caribbean and naturalized to become a citizen when she was 15?  I can tell you this: she rooted for the Bruins too.  And cheers on America vs her "birth country" of Guyana.  And, fortunately for me, she believes in patriotic bikinis on the 4th of July!  woo hoo!

Salty Gator said...

Maggie do you know what Religious Police do?  they operate like privateers.  They get a mandate from some sheik and then they go around torturing, murdering, molesting, raping and pilaging people who are accused of doing things that offend their sense of religious piety.  They are murderers with no heart, no soul and NO AUTHORITY, JUDICIAL, MORAL OF OTHER TO OPERATE IN THIS COUNTRY OR ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WEST.  In the ass backwards middle east they are worse than the secret police of the Eastern Europe of yester-year.  And that is saying something.

The Usual Suspect said...

URR
I think that Obama has already chosen sides and it is not the same one that we have chosen.  All one has to do is to look at the actions he has taken since coming into the public eye - even before his ascendance to the presidency (small p as he just occupies the office and does not live up to the title).

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Perhaps he has. 

What would be the effect of a Republican President recognizing a religious extremist group that allied itself with, and served willingly alongside, SS units in WWII?  And never, ever repudiated those actions?  In fact, still espouses those beliefs?

The hypocrisy is never-ending.  Some of the responses from the nincompoops who refuse to learn history can be found everywhere.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Unless it is the NY Yankees.  Then you are truly despicable.  Right Maggie?

BostonMaggie said...

<span>I am well aware of what religious police do.  Should they be stopped?  Yes.  Should they be jailed?  In many cases, yes.  Should you kill them all?  No  I most certainly agree that they have no authority in Western countries.  However, unless they rape or murder then you don't kill them.  Otherwise we are sinking to their level</span>

butch said...

When engaged in war against an existential threat to Western civilization, the only moral high ground is victory.

Go ahead and clutch your pearls, call for your smelling salts, and criticize me later.  Just don't hobble me while I'm trying to save Western civ, and coincidentally, your worthless, nancy ass.

BostonMaggie said...

<p><span><span>It's a game, played for money.  The US team bought themselves some good players.   </span></span><span>
<span> </span>
<span>A good citizen is someone who works and pays their taxes and votes.  Someone who obeys the law and helps their neighbor when they can.  If you do those things, I don't care is during a game you root for the land of your birth or your grandparent’s birth.</span></span>
</p><p><span><span>Enjoy your 4th and your g/f's bikini.  LOL.</span></span></p>

pk said...

its not all that stuff so much as it is the millions of people that go on welfare and associated programs immediately on entry and the BILLIONS of US$ that goes home every year.

C

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Ask the CFO of any Southern California hospital what that facility's costs are in treating illegals with drug overdoses, gunshot wounds, raging infections from stab wounds, etc.

But make sure that CFO is out of earshot of the California poltical correctness police.  Then, and only then, will they show you the budget pie.

James said...

Gunshot and stab wounds is one thing. Drugs.....well the realistic part of me says let em die they are a drain on the nations resources. Hell alot of problems are being caused by people who did drugs like acid in the 60's,70's, and 80's but have been clean mostly.....well truth is unpleasant. Acid as well as other drugs get into the system and stay. People who havnt had a hit of acid in 30 years are having flash backs and such because its IN THEIR SPINE.

In my opinion let people take whatever they want but if they kill someone or rape someone or some such while on them. Immediate death sentence.

AND if they do it they are inelligable for public healthcare.

Hell i've had druggies agree with the above.

James said...

Maggie you cant honestly think america should field a ALL american soccer team. Its like the starter sport when your to young for anything else...Soccer,

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Soccer is frigging communist anyway.  They should learn football.  The Ray Nietshke kind. 

We knew when the Rooskies were in Cuba by when the soccer fields would spring up. 

Cubans played baseball.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Gunshots and stab wounds from turf wars should not be the taxpayers' responsibility either. 

But they are.  Because health care is a basic human right, and no person is illegal. 

All I get to do is pay for everyone.

Retired Now said...

ADIDAS shoes !   All us soccer types wore only ADIDAS brand.

All  Day  I  Dream  About  Soccer  (ADIDAS).

Andrew said...

But the mufti only wanted to liberate his oppressed, fellow Palestinians. He was a revolutionary fighting for freedom. What could be better than that? And remember, Hitler was a socialist who fixed that dirty Jewish question. /sarcasm

As open-minded and tolerant as I try to be, the more I read about Islam and the Muslim world, the more I arrive at the decision that Islam as it stands today is not compatible with the Western world and should be exterminated, eradicated, and obliterated from all traditionally Western lands.

Salty Gator said...

fair enough, until they exact a fatiwa on a friend or loved one...

Salty Gator said...

I'm going to weigh in on this again.  I know Maggie that you love the USN and that you love America.  But I cringe when I hear people cheering for the team of their birth land just like I cringe when naturalized citizens tell me that they are looking forward to "going home to visit."  If America isn't your home, first and foremost, every single day and every single waking moment, then you made a bad call raising your right hand and signing on the bottom line.  We are a melting pot, yes.  Our cities have China Towns and Little Italy's and Little Havanas (if we are lucky), but we have to always bleed red white and blue from the Olympics to World Cup to Afghanistan and Iraq.  It is US vs. The World, just like that boring Ryder Cup. After 9/11 a lot of naturalized citizens fled this country and "went home."  I say GOOD RIDDENS.  Let any fair weather citizens do the same.

BostonMaggie said...

Absolutely.  Once that happens, the dye is cast.

BostonMaggie said...

Now see, I think this is taking assimilation too far.  A person comes to America and becomes a citizen.....but they don't need to leave everything behind.  You don't abandon your whole identity.  This is why America works.  You not only become an American, you add to America with what you bring.  Our strength is in our (sorry to use this dirty word, but it fits here) diversity as much as it is the common bond we make by coming together. 

Six of my great gandfather's eight children went off to fight WWII and two didn't come home.  They self identified as Irish-American.

My father joined the Navy during the Korean War.  One of things in life he most prizes is the dual citizenship he was able to obtain because his mother was born in Ireland.

The favorite Naval Consort was a Brown Water Sailor & a GameWarden in Vietnam and deployed 3 times to a post 9/11 Middle East with a shamrock tattoed on his bicep.

The point of America is not to lose who you were, it's to become something greater.

Boston doesn't have a Little Italy, but I would cry all day and all night of you took away the North End.

Salty Gator said...

I understand what you are saying and where you are coming from, but I will close with this one note:  America does not recognize duel citizenships.  Other nations may, and do, but the US does not.  in the eyes of the law, you are either one of us, or you are not.

That being said, I really appreciated reading your above comment.  I might add, the purpose of allowing immigrants to come to America is not only to make the individual stronger, but the country stronger.  It can only happen if we bring everyone into the light and out of the dark.

Enjoyed this back and forth, ma'am.

Byron said...

Sorry, Maggie. You're either an American, or you're not. I know my ancestry..but it doesn't matter a hell of beans next to the fact that God blessed me with birth in the United States of America. And according to US Code, your father is a US citizen...period. Only Ireland sees him as both.

It's really simple...you can't have two allegiances. You're either all in, or you're not.

Salty Gator said...

You do, of course, realize that the Aryans in Western Europe and Slavs in the Urals and Caucusus have very little in common with each other, right?

Salty Gator said...

UPDATE:  While their parents were speaking spanish to each other, I heard a group of hispanic children singing the star spangled banner at my community's fireworks display while playing in the chesapeake bay tonight.  there is hope, folks.....

Grumpy Old Ham said...

<span> there's no way to predict the effect of a charismatic politician.</span>

Reference the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for a pretty darned good example...divisiveness is the order of the day...

Southern Air Pirate said...

Thank you for your input Jack London. Oh and don't forget your hood and cape on the way out the door too sir!

Grandpa Bluewater. said...

para 2 is essentially in conformance with Mexican law re: legal resident aliens (for example, US Citizens who have applied, been approved, and can demonstrate sufficient means to not become a ward of the Mexican Govt due to inability to obtain or maintain employment in Mexico) and applicants for Mexican citizenship.

Seems only fair.

CDR Salamander said...

Well SAP - we do all take our marching orders from the Big Bald Zionist Marine.  

Southern Air Pirate said...

Sorry CDR,  I take my marching orders from Ming the Merciless and soon he will bring harmony and peace to the world. If it wasn't for that damn Flash Gordon! ;)

Grandpa Bluewater. said...

They marry quite often in Chicago, Detroit, Milwaukee, Youngstown and (dare I say?) San Francisco and New York. Aryans and Slavs, that is.

This isn't Europe, or Mexico, or the land of any tribe with a flag in Araby.  Nor should we make the slightest attempt to be, or modify it's laws and customs to mollify vistors therefrom, regardless of how they got here.

Wish to become a citizen? "Ante up and kick in." Just like the rest.  The only way in is all in.  It's called allegiance.

Otherwise, thank you for your unsolicited opinion, mind the spring on the screen door on the way out.

Anonymous said...

Huh.  If'n we did, things would be a mite less f*cked up in this-here Republic.  We sure as hell wouldn't be broke, and claiming we can't afford the military we need. 

Bald Zionist Marine said...

Yep, that's you-know-who.  Damned JS-kit.

Anonymous said...

Maggie is on the right side of history with her argument here.  Me backing her won't help, but it is what it is.  All in or not...With us or against us...these black and white arguments were silly when recently put forward, and remain silly today.  There are quite a few shades of grey in between, and the United States is certainly big enough to accommodate some of the middle ground.  Thank goodness for very fortunate geography.

Cheers,

B. Walthrop said...

That was me.

V/R,

CDR Salamander said...

Thank you my overload for your patience.  I beg your forgiveness for my JS-GentileKit so that you won't turn my children's blood into tasty holiday treats.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Er, you realize I am Catholic, right?  We don't need special holidays to eat your children. 

guest said...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Dugin

working on it

CDR Salamander said...

No.  I know what the Elders have instructed you to say. You may think others will believe your lies - but we select few all see the truth.

AW1 Tim said...

  Don't even get me started about Freemasons, the Illuminatti, and the Bilderbergers ;) .

DeltaBravo said...

haaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa!  *wipes tears*  aaaaaahahahahah.  Best laugh of the day.  Much needed.  Thanks.

DeltaBravo said...

Tim, The Grove is where it's really at.  ;)

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Someone quick tell Salamander that someone is using his login name! 

We don't know who, but it could be Louis Farrakhan, Jimmy Carter, Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, David Duke, Keith Ellison, Jeremiah Wright, Bill Ayers, or Hillary Clinton. 

ewok40k said...

There is saying around here in Poland that things can always be blamed on Jews, Masons, and Cyclists... Of course Cyclists are the most powerful, because nobody suspects them!

ewok40k said...

Here is the person I am taking orders from... as a loyal space marine!

Anonymous said...

Once that happens - your too late. Kill them, with extreme predjudice, openly, and objectively. As a warning and reward to  their religious piety