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All he does is win ... except when he's facing Tom Brady.
GO PATS!
Don't hold your breath, Yankee Boy, the Tebow Express and Traveling Road Show are headed your way...and be careful, you don't want Tim to make a "Promise", do you? 8-)
It seems to me that Tebow just needed some time to mature and find his rhythm as a pro QB. Just as Matt Stafford found his with the Lions this year (becoming just the 4th QB to ever throw for more than 5000 yards in the regular season), but that has been overshadowed by not only Tebow, but Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers.
Though a joy watching Tebow and the Broncos play, the Tebow Express comes to a halt at Gillette Stadium next weekend.
GO PATS!
Great game yesterday and I can honestly say that I was rooting far more for Tebow than just my dislike for the Steelers.
Really looking forward to seeing him play over the years as he matures his skills to match his heart.
Yup. New England showed how to stop Denever and they'll do it handily again on Saturday.
Pittsburgh never really adjusted their defense. They play a zone D and kept stacking 8-9 in the box, to try and get to the QB, and that left no one behind for the long throws. Every single one of those long throws was to a WAY open receiver. That won't happen like that saturday.
New England and Green Bay are 31 & 32 in the league, respectively, in yards allowed, but they are both in the top half in points allowed. What that means is that teams can move the ball between the 20's against both teams (and also New Orleans and the Giants), but have difficulty scoring. Most teams end up with field goals rather than TD's on their long scoring drives because they "Bend but don't Break" defense limits YAC, and generates opportunities for interceptions and fumbles.
BTW: the Patriots are a +17 in turnovers this year. Just saying.
I excpect a media blitz all this week, but in the end, New England ought to win by 17+
GO PATS!
The way to beat the Patriots is to hit Tom Brady and throw the ball deep against their porous secondary. The Broncos can do both. The Broncos proved they can put up points against the BEST DEFENSE IN FOOTBALL and the Pats defense is not good. This game is going to be a shootout...the Pats will score, but so will the Broncos. I can't bet against Tebow any more, and Brady hasn't been to the Super Bowl in four years. The Patriots have turned into a finesse passing team, and their time is over!
Tebow needs a lot of work, needs to be able to throw consistently as a dropback passer. No QB can succeed in the NFL unless they can to that. He also needs to be able to recognize and exploit defenses, which he is not yet able to do. Relying on physical talent alone causes those wild swings in productivity, because defenses can mask base formations and switch coverages and schemes.
I don't think he will beat the Patriots, even with their awful secondary. That said, I would like to see Tebow continue to develop the skills (not talents!) required to win consistently in the NFL. And would LOVE to see him maintain his assertions of faith. And throw a football up the tuchus of each sportswriter who criticises him for that faith.
What's it say as a society that we cheer madly for a player indicted for murder one (Lewis), and possession of narcotics with intent to distribute (Irvin) and a laundry list of arrests and convictions, but are harshly critical of someone who believes strongly in God?
NE finished 20th in rushing, with Brady throwing all those passes. They did gain 4 yards per, which ain't hay.
Besides, not sure you could describe trying to tackle their big Polock tight end with a head of steam on a five yard drag pattern as "finesse".
The best defense in football made some crucial errors last night. On the game winner, the corner let the WR have an inside release on a safety blitz. He HAS to line up a half-step inside him and either jam him or make him release outside. He had no help inside and got beat. That is a mistake for the high school practice field.
+1
Football is all about execution...last night, Denver executed...Pittsburg did not.
Tebow left a bunch of throws on the turf. He executed when it counted against a defense that made a bunch of mistakes. But he needs to execute every time a defense gives him something. The reason Brady missing a throw is so notable is that it happens so seldom. Same with Brees and Rogers. As it was with Montana and Steve Young.
In the 4th quarter, Tebow had a WR with a full step on the defender and missed him over the middle by three yards. That should have been a completion and would have had the Bronks well within FG range, with no need to go into OT. Solid NFL QBs make that throw. Elite ones make it even when the defender is in good position.
All he does is win.
Word.
Ugly Marine, need I point out that Tim has only 15 games under his belt? Or that he had no off-season this year, and did not practice with the first team last year until the last three games?
Last but not least, please put Tebow next to all the NFL start quarterbacks in the rookie season and then tell me how good he is. I know he's already blown away Elways stats and a couple of lifetime records already....
B - That is a great argument for the potential of Tebow's career but doesn't do much WRT this coming Saturday. He is a winner and often finds ways to win with heart and guile but he is still missing chances and opportunities that more season QBs don't miss.
So, explain to me again the new overtime rule for NFL playoff games.
Throw out all the traditional QB metrics-completion percentage, QB rating, TD/int ratio. They don't matter because it isn't a typical pro offense. This is a modified spread-option, the type of offense that the experts said would never work in the NFL. But it does work now, because Denver has the QB and receivers for it. Once they get two RBs for it, it will be even more potent.
It's true that Tebow misses wide open receivers sometimes but not always: did you see that TD pass to Royal when he was BLANKETED but Tebow squeezed it in? How about the deep sideline throws in the 2nd quarter? His innaccuracy is overblown.
Measuring Tebow with Brady style metrics is incorrect. Winning is the most important metric.
I fully enjoyed watching Ben "The Rapist" Rothlisberger and his stupid hat on the post game show as he settles in for the off season. Tebow will not win in Foxborough.
Each team gets a chance to score a field goal. If one team scores and on the following set of downs, fails to score, they lose. If a team scores a TD, game over. Of course, I don't think anyone thought OT would last all of 11 seconds :)
Regarding Phib's question regarding passing yards...ask John 3:16 8-)
He has a tremendous upside if coached properly, for sure. But to win consistently he HAS to make a defense pay for every mistake, and exploit defensive choices that are NOT mistakes.
He must learn consistency. I think he has the attitude and work ethic to do so. But he has got to master the game from a strategy standpoint, or he will be prone to one of those 6/20 for 55 yards, two-pick nightmares he is capable of having against even mediocre defenses.
By the way, Tebow has two years of experience, and is not a rookie.
URR, he played three games at the end of last year; that was the only reps he got with the first team. He did not get any training in the offseason; when the season started, for the first 5 games he did not play with the first string. It's of tremendous importance to a young quarterback to have the time to recognize his people in motion and how his O-line moves. Tim is just now getting comfortable with his team mates.
Byron,
I know his playing history. But he should be learning always, every day, especially for that kind of money. Game film, every day, of all his opponents, and his own team.
Even the games in his rookie year should be a huge learning point. It was also eight or nine games, IIRC, not three.
I like the kid. A lot. Dunno if he will be ultimately successful in the NFL, but he is a decent young gentleman with his head on straight.
BUT... the NFL does a mediocre job with running quarterbacks. Some never quite learn the position of QB in the NFL, and have a bunch of highlights of physical talent (see: Cunningham, Randall, and McNabb, Donovan) rather than a body of work that makes them real winners.
For every Steve Young, or Warren Moon, or Steve McNair, there are plenty of Randall Cunninghams and Mike Vicks, and Bobby Douglasses, Kordell Stewarts, Vince Youngs, and Mark Brunells.
I don't follow pro football but I loved watching him in college. I esoecially appreciate his courage in always speaking out on behalf of life while he was at Florida. He's bringing that same courage to bear in facing a furiously hostile secular media and calmly continuing to give his witness. I don't think that God really intervenes in football games, but I do believe that Tebow is storing up riches in the next world.
I follow NFL football through a Big Orange prism; Tebow played for the Gators so I must oppose. (Conversely, I am a Colts fan because of Peyton) The Tennessee/Florida rivalry is the bitterest in the SEC.
I've got a good friend who's a Vol and member in good standing of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club flying RA-5c's and we go back and forth every year for our matchup :) Also, it's said for a Gator head coach to keep his job, that he MUST beat Tennessee and Georgia every year. Will Muschchamp is on thin ice, as he is 1-1 in that category :)
Sez you 8-)
He IS learning....and tearing apart #1 ranked defenses :-P
Uh huh. This week. And on Christmas Eve, he laid an egg against the vaunted 26th-ranked Buffalo Bills. And was stymied by a dreadful New England defense for the last three quarters.
<span>Greetings:
Me, I'm still waiting for some talking headster to offer up the "Great White Hope" theme. They couldn't tar him as a religious fanatic, so what's left besides racist ???
More intelligently, in spite of Pittsburgh's quaterback's physical condition, it was an exciting game with a spectacular ending. I'm much pleased that Mr.Tebow has been able to maintain his even keel while being so much under the media's relentless microscope.
I live in the San Francisco Bay area and, for the last six years, have been watching the 49ers fail to let their quarterback, Alex Smith, play the game the way that was successful for him in college. Thankfully, the Broncos failed to meet requirement to remake an exceptional player to fit some preconceived quarterback mold. I'm reminded of the old dictum that "a camel is a horse designed by a committee". Let that young horse have his head.</span>
As a dedicated Broncos-hater (Go Chargers!!!) and with family heavily invested, due to geographic proximity during childhood, in the Steelers, I found I had very mixed emotions yesterday, mainly due to the irrational hatred of Mr. Tebow. We're not even of the same faith, but I was raised to respect others' beliefs and faiths and to never mock others for that faith. Thus, the Tebow-haters get very little slack from me. Especially the "Oh, I don't hate him for his faith, it's becuase..." crowd. Becuase, when it all comes down to it, it <span>is</span> becuase he's not afraid to articualte the fact that he is a person of faith.
Now as to the rest of the story: Elway didn't want him, made sure Fox's predeccessor was fired for picking him in the draft and showed nothing more than a luke-warm "well, we'll play him this season" type of wishy-washy support typical of Elway and his over-inflated ego. Now, miraculously, he's Tebow's biggest fan. Yeah, right. As to Tebow's "mechanics?" Yeah, they suck. But he's trying to get better, and certainly has gotten better. From what little I've seen, I think he's the type of young professional who will spend a lot of time in the off-season working very hard on his weak points. The comparison to Alex Smith is apt; build your offense around what he can do and what he's working on being able to do.
If Elway wants to trade him, let that happen, please, so he can go to someplace that I won't have to root against.
So you're saying you believe he's still a sub-par QB, but you don't want him playing against your team? Got it 8-)
I would ask you to look at the type of offensive scheme in the Buffalo and KC games, and then look at the scheme last night. The difference between the two is like night and day. If I had a suspicious mind, I'd say that the "Let it fly" comment was not made to Tim :)
Tebow 3:16 says "Guess who's going to Foxborough?"
We will see how much of Tebow's success was temporary.
Belichick is an awfully smart coach, even with scrap-heap personnel. We can't yet say that Tebow is an awfully smart quarterback, nor Fox an awfully smart coach.
And then there's Brady. Best ever at his position.
<span>And Brady 3:16 says "Lo, the unbeliever shall perish under the scoring drive, and the heretic shall not withstand my mighty passing arm. And there went out a mighty clamor throughout the land, and the faithful didst tell Tebow to suck it. And in those days did the mighty Brady receive his 4th Superbowl MVP title."</span>
HAH!
But don't forget, the Patriots defense also summons His name with impressive frequency. More as admonitions than scripture:
"Jesus Christ! Who had contain on that side?"
"God almighty, can't anyone tackle?"
"Thank God the other team fumbled!!!"
Don't forget, the Patriots defense is also cause to beseech Him:
"Jesus Christ! Can't anybody tackle out there?"
"God almighty, who has contain on that side?"
"Thank God he dropped that pass, because he was WIDE open!"
Byron,
Right now the kid has the drive and desire to turn what tools he has into a pretty good package. He also seems willing to try and learn what he doesn't know, which will come with time. I really do wish him the best of luck. So long as he's not playing the Chargers or the Forty-Niners. :-D If he's playing against the Cowboys, I'll be rooting for him every play of the game!
I heard almost precisely that a few weeks back at the Indy game.
That was me yelling from Vermont.... >:o
Now I will make the real point about Tim Tebow as a football players: QB ratings, sacks, tackles, hurry's, assists, YAC's, don't mean spit unless you're talking about how much money a player will make on his contract. What really matters is the win-loss column. Matthew Stafford will not play next weekend...Tim Tebow will, because he has not forgotten that the only thing that matters is winning ;)
URR, did you know that when Tebow was being scouted before his draft that the Pat's visited him? That they were astounded when Tim repeated to them the ENTIRE offensive and defensive schemes, every damn play, every damn option? He doesn't hang out at bars, he doesn't hang out on the corner with the boys to pick up chicks, he just watches hours and hours of game film and then analyizes it. Is he smart? Yeah, I tend to think so.
Or we even cheered for someone that abused and killed dogs (Vick).
Byron,
If Belichick coached Tebow, he would be much more successful than with any other coach. Tebow is bright and will work hard. But spouting the offensive sets back to the coach is different from being able to read the first step of the safety toward the goal post and knowing the tight end will be open running a slot route. And doing so with a 300 pound tackle and a blitzing linebacker about to hit you.
Tebow needs to convert that native intelligence to football intelligence. There is a difference. Many have both, but not all. Heath Shuler never figured it out. And he is exceptionally bright. Joe Namath was one of the smartest QBs ever, but not the brightest guy going. Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees, those guys are both.
And the idea of running Tebow on the option in the NFL is a good way to get him killed. I know, as a DE in college, no matter what the QB did, my job was to hit him right in the chest. Even with the sissy-pants QB protection rules in the NFL, when he leaves the pocket on the option, he is just another RB.
blasphemy, URR......blasphemy.
God understands. He couldn't believe the guy was that wide open in the end zone, either.
AHEM!
Patriots 35, Denver 7 at the half
Tebow 3/10 for 28 yards 0 TD 0 INT
Brady 18/25 for 246 yards 5 TD 1 INT
heh
45-10 with 9:20 to go in the 4th.
I do believe I said that tonight's sermon would be taught from Brady 3:16, didn't I?
Aaaaaaaaaand that's a wrap on Tebow for this year.
Have fun in the off-season, Denver fans.
Yeah, Lt Rusty, and you were mostly correct. But I believe the biblical passage was
Brady 3:63 "Whoevereth cannot pressure me, and shall try and play a matchup zone, shall be cast unto the television watchers of the playoffs, for they will be crushed and sent home."
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Gronk received for 3 TDs
Brady through one INT (hey, it can't all be pretty)
Brady through for 6 TDs
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