A few minutes ago, I permanently relieved Capt. Owen Honors of his duties as commanding officer of USS ENTERPRISE (CVN 65) for demonstrating exceptionally poor judgment while serving as executive officer of that ship, from 2006-2007.That brings us to the questions I asked over at USNIBlog.
While Capt. Honors' performance as commanding officer of ENTERPRISE has been without incident, his profound lack of good judgment and professionalism while previously serving as executive officer in ENTERPRISE calls into question his character and undermines his credibility to continue to serve effectively in command.After personally reviewing the videos Capt. Honors created while serving as executive officer, I have lost confidence in his ability to lead effectively, and he is being held accountable for the poor judgment and inappropriate actions repeatedly demonstrated in those videos.
It is fact that as naval officers we are held to a higher standard. Those in command must exemplify the Navy's core values of honor, courage and commitment which we expect our Sailors to embrace. Our leaders must be above reproach and our Sailors deserve nothing less.Capt. Dee Mewbourne will be permanently assigned as the new commanding officer of ENTERPRISE. Capt. Mewbourne most recently commanded USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) and while in command he completed two successful combat deployments supporting Operation Enduring Freedom. Capt. Mewbourne is currently serving as the Chief of Staff for Navy Cyber Forces - he will assume command of ENTERPRISE later this afternoon.
CAPT Mewbourne - good luck.
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Damn...I lost that bet! I had $20 on the table waiting to read the headline:
"In a Historic and Unprecedented" decision, ADM Harvey names the FIRST WOMAN to command a Nuclear Aircraft Carrier" (and "Unique Qualification Requirements" be damned).
OK, I didn't REALLY have $20 on the table, but I KNOW people (other than me) were salivating at the possibility!
"<span>A few minutes ago, I permanently relieved Admiral John C Harvey of his duties as Commander, Fleet Forces Command, for demonstrating exceptionally poor judgment in relieving Captain Owen Honors, commanding officer of USS Enterprise. While Captain Honors exhibited questionable judgment back in 2007 with the making of this video, Navy leadership failed to address the matter then, and Admiral Harvey's actions constitute punishment ex post facto, to wit, before the Gay Activists were among the Navy's core special interest groups to which pandering is expected. </span>
In addition, I have relieved Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mike Mullen, for showing exceptionally poor judgment as Chief of Naval Operations for presiding over the sh*t sandwich that is Navy shipbuilding and maintenance."
But alas, won't happen.
So sad a career and doubtless lifetime goal ruined.
So the lesson is - either offend absolutely no-one for years on end (good luck with that with a ship's coy of any meaningful size) or don't bother to try and modify your behaviour following complaints, because nearly half-a-decade on they'll still hang you regardless of current excellent performance.
Makes me think how Prime Minister, and earlier First Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill would, if the PC/Diversity brigade have existed earlier, have been kept firmly in retirement regardless of crisis, for being clearly marked as a blatant sexist and homophobe, based on these classic rejoinders:
<span>I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly</span>
<span>Don't talk to me about naval tradition. It's nothing but rum, sodomy and the lash</span>
URR if you have any dirt on Adm Mullen (letter, fax, bad joke at party, etc) from over a half a decade back or more; then why not give relieving him a go :)
After all the precedent has now been set. Evals and promotion boards don't mean sh*t. Your career performance & prospects are only as good as your last complaint!
Mullen is too much of a tight-ass p*ssy politician to say anything funny or meaningful. He just panders. And scolds those who don't.
I would have throught a non-punitive letter might be appropriate (good lord, URR and USAF Mike seem to agree with each other and with me). This is sad.
"..too mush of a <span>tight-ass p*ssy politician to say anything funny.."</span>
Damn! Unholy trinity of: laughter snort, coffee and keyboard strikes again - thanks!
He didn't appoint a woman but he did find a man named "Dee." Is there any info on Mullen? Something seems a little off about him. Not just in the Weasley Clark way.
I would expect nothing less from this current administation. Sad day for our navy.
From his last posting while waiting for the Flag Board to convine,
http://www.public.navy.mil/usff/cyberfor/Pages/CaptainMewbourne.aspx
I think I had family that cross his path way back when. On the other hand, I would note a couple of things, he had the stink of the A-12 on him probably at the LCDR level, but lead the Nashville in the summer of 06 during the evacuation of Western Civilians from Lebanon during that crisis moment. Then lead the Ike for 2008 to 2010, for two combat deployments. Hopefully, things go well for him.
Translator: The general would like to know if you will drink a toast with him.
<span>Patton</span>: Thank the general and tell him I have no desire to drink with him or any other Russian son of a bitch.
Translator: [Nervous] I can't tell him that!
<span>Patton</span>: Tell him, every word.
Translator: [In Russian] He says he will not drink with you or any Russian son of a bitch.
Russian general: [In Russian] Tell him he is a son of a bitch, too. Now!
Translator: [Very nervous] He says he thinks you are a son of a bitch, too.
<span>Patton</span>: [laughing] All right. All right, tell him I'll drink to that; one son of a bitch to another.
First there was the Stone Age. Then the Bronze Age. Then the Iron Age etc.
Right now we're in the Pussy Age.
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<span>After Capt. Mewbourne's brief tenure, we can expect female succession.</span> What is the command diversity quota for CVNs? 1 out of 11?
Two women, two minorities, and two gays. And NO, you cannot have an African-American lesbian count for any more than two of the three.
So is the new guy qualified on Enterprise's reactors or is that suddenly not necessary?
Pretty good public flogging by the Adm. as well. Wonder why the pile on?
Welcome to The New Age. Warriors will now be designated as "Pussies for Peace".
Makes your blood boil.
This comment is for Harvey. (And no, I won't do him the honor of referring to him by his rank.) We all know you read this blog and the comments. I no longer have any respect for you. I think you are gutless piece of $hit. This decision is so bad on so many levels. I am so angry about this that I have taken off my USNA class ring and will no longer refer to myself as a retired officer. If you want my email address, phone number, or home address, just ask, I will be happy to give them to you so I can tell you in person what I think about you, this decision and tody's Navy. But then again, I doubt you have the courage or are interested in what those of us who truly care about the Navy really think.
I liked your USNI blog... I also go with #3... A betrayal of the Skipper by his Chain of Command... LOYALTY goes UP and Down.. the crew is watching... I would HATE to be on that ENTERPRISE... it is not MY ENTERPRISE and it is no longer my Navy...
SHAME ON YOU "admiral" HARVEY!
shipmate!
I love reading from the top down and then discovering my buddies here validate my thoughts and posts AFTER I post and BEFORE I read what you wrote.. birds of a feather!
Some serious arm twisting must have been done to shove this down the throat of Naval Reactors. God help the Big E if they have a major reactor problem while deployed, the CO doesn't know the plant.
Once upon a time, I was driving a boat and our brand new CO told me to line up to blow retention tanks while at periscope depth. Once the laughter in the Control Room had subsided--and no one else present was nuclear trained--I had to tell him that we didn't have retention tanks. During my report to him after watch relief, I filled him in on some other equipment we didn't have, like an oxygen generator, an inertial navigation system, etc.
Dee Mewbourne was our CAG ops. He's good people.
Focsle Follies is henceforth canceled and if not canceled will be really lame and grouped with the other mandatory fun things like Diversity/Sensitivity Training and hail and farewells.
Our newly appointed CMEO is attending school very soon. She is wondering how lame/painful its going to be. It was bad enough 5 years ago - not sure what to expect after this little fiasco.
Good luck to Captain Mewbourne and his new crew. May the Big E family pull together despite the $hit sandwich handed them by the Naval Leadership. Take care of each other shipmates.
Captain Honors, I am sorry you have had to go through this. Best of luck to you, sir. This is crap.
Yeah, the apocalypse is nigh.
One other thing. I have ceased telling young people to join the Navy. I do not feel that it is the best place for young men, especially. Women, I tell candidly, that they will have an easier time of it due to double standards. Additionally, I recommend the Marines as I have more faith that the leadership will be consistent, they will stay true to their core beliefs, and again, will embrace the warrior, warrior ethos and understand their primary mission is not to be the force for socical change. This truly saddens me.
Best of luck Captain. Another fine Officer sacrificed to the politically correct gods (OK, a-wipes) in uniform, elected, and in the (bleep)ing media. As a talk show host said this morning, these are men on a Navy warship. Men talk and sometimes - with suitable warnings on the vid mind you - do these funny and zany things.
We're led by prissy sissies - no wonder we can't win a war.
Addressing each charge individually...
- <span>profound lack of good judgment and professionalism...hard to argue otherwise; as many others have stated previously, this was a Goat Locker action item.
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<span>- calls into question his character...maybe; I can't personally speak of his character for the other 99.99% of the time he was XO/CO. To be selected to command a CVN in a wartime scenario does suggests a major degree of positive character as assessed by Navy leadership.</span>
- <span>undermines his credibility to continue to serve effectively in command...maybe; no known feedback from his time in command of CVN-65; we'll never know for sure on this one.
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<span>- lost confidence in his ability to lead effectively...4-star judgment call </span>
<span>-being held accountable for the poor judgment and inappropriate actions repeatedly demonstrated in those videos...no question on the accountability aspect though timely accountability (4 years ago) would have been more appropriate if was truly a DFC action
- it is fact that as naval officers we are held to a higher standard...sometimes; depends on the who, what, and where. This would have more oomph if this same action/statement occurred 4 years ago and not after the event received national attention.</span>
Good luck to the Big-E crew!
I'd disagree with it being easier for women. There are still misogynistic douchecanoes who hate women...but all the PC bullshit has a. made people assume that we are al like teh problem children and b. has leaders so fed up with BS sexism claims that they don't care when a real one crosses their desks.
add me to the list.
it truly is the apocalypse.
Sing "Nearer My God to Thee" and shut off the lights.
the video was dumb and not particularly funny...okay...parts of it were funny.
but it was a nploc and a slightly dinged FITREP at best. This response is absurd. It's crap like that that keep us from having worthwhile Dining In's any more. First we always have to invite the damn spouses and then we can't do anything funny.
Captain Mewbourne most recently commanded USS DWIGHT D. EISENHOWER (CVN 69). I think he's got the Nuke thing down pat. Believe me, NR would have insisted on a Nuke qualified guy and so would CNAF.
For those of you who have facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Support-Captain-Owen-Honors-USS-Enterprise/181700525187990?ref=ts&v=info#!/pages/Support-Captain-Owen-Honors-USS-Enterprise/181700525187990?v=wall
Have fun.
Unfortunately, the Follies have been neutered for many years. Even in the mid-late 90s, I was in CVWs where videos like what CAPT Honors produced would have gotten an airwing CO in hot water, and might even have gotten him fired. For those who may not know to what I refer, we're only talking about (mostly) CVW officer types...not enlisted.
From COS of Navy Cyber Forces (yuck) to a second command tour of a CVN?
CAPT Mewbourne probably isn't happy about the circumstances, but I'd be surprised if he isn't (deep down) happy about how it turned out for him.
Well that's true-but he did already have a CVN command.........
Oh and I hate to bring this up but the Post-DADT Repeal Revenge B&tchslap is just starting. There is no turning back, the repeal is done. Just like saying the f-bomb in front of Mom for the first time, you can't take it back.
Sal you said "<span>Sure, the activist will be a pain as they over-reach - but we'll deal with them as they come over the ridge."</span> Well, they are past the Final Protective Fire and inside the wire. So, what do we do now? One man down, more to follow.
Yeah, but at least we got blue digital combat smurf uniforms. At least we got that working for us. *sigh*
The senior Naval leadership could not be any more EXTHITED about the repeal of DADT. I mean, after all, they have been orally pleasuring Congress for the past decade and taking it up the rear from the diversity nazis so I guess they can all come out now.
A non punitive letter would have worked out just fine.
Posts like this one are as unworthy of the uniform as the thing you're complaining about.
Ok, let me say it another way without the sarcasm.
Senior Naval leadership has bent over backwards to please Congress in their total worshiping of diversity and the repeal of DADT. They have failed to give honest and true analysis to the ruling class in the hopes it would keep the flush with money and allow them access to post command/career money in the military contracting world. The repeal of DADT is a bad thing as it opens the services up to another level of protected class, adds nothing to military readiness and adds another dimension to the sexual problems on deployment (at sea or in the field).
Furthermore, the concern with diversity has been racially motivated does not focus on accomplishments, capabilities and merit, but rather focuses on "goals" (stated as such to eliminate the "quota" word and thus keep it from the Supreme Court rulings) of racial and gender make up of units. In so doing, the leadership has destroyed the trust and confidence from the juniors given to the leadership and also done vast long term damage to our (military) culture. Serving is not a right. Serving is difficult, yet through political expediency, the leadership has made it more difficult and additionally made it harder to lead. The tools are taken from the toolbox for fear of damaging a part (read that as someone's feelings). What have these political mechanations bought us? Nothing. We are still in the same budgetary wars with the other services, still in decline in both ship quantity and quality, downsizing in manning due to budgetary constraints and are not honest enough to pull ourselves out of the tailspin. The total and complete social suicide due to the lack of backbone (thus the reference to senior leaders being on their knees before Congress) and total lack of honesty with Congress. At some point the leaders have to tell Congress no, take the short term hit and then let Congress realize they need the Navy and start funding and supporting accordingly. Playing NARMY games to show we have skin in the game is silly. Play to our strengths, sell the Navy to the civilian leadership as a means to safe Walmart and oil transport, make the case for killing pirates (Constitutionally sanctioned, btw) and be real men. Not soft palmed, silly sissies that worry about the social pressures of states rights with respect to gays. And, oh btw, if you are worried about how gays are peceived in society, then you have to take it with the good and the bad. All the social tricks that Hollywood had done to make gays more "fun" and "acceptable" to the rest of society have not shown gays to be manly men (Queer Eye for the Straight Guy; Will and Grace).
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So while gayness is more accepted, it is still not the epitome of manhood. Yes, there are butch gay men, but, believe it or not, I have a lot of gay friends and almost all fit the stereotype of fabulous decorators, and not fearsome fighters. So, when I call the senior leadership out for being less than manly and forceful and use the tie in with the repeal of DADT as the back drop, it was meant to be sarcastically blunt. Especially with the tones that are swirling about (pun intended) this event. The Navy has mishandled this. We no longer should even consider ourselves a fighting force as it is clear our political handlers do not. Global Force for Good and all that. That is just gay.
I know we have different views, but my experience is that the commands I have been in except one have bent over backwards to accomodate females. I saw one female have serious issues due to sexism and she got out but since that command, I've never seen it. In fact, I've been a target of sexism having worked for a cabal of females with their preconceived notions and prejudices. I would say the culture in the Navy and military as a whole has changed incredibly to be more loving and caring towards females. I would prefer we only pulled women in that fit the culture, not bent the culture to around the generic female.
....and the Navy will be stunned when the law of unintended consequences kicks in (as in "Why are we having a retention problem?") - - to leadership: hey dumbsh*ts, leaders who know how to keep morale high by trying to keep it fun are no longer acceptable but queers are?.......sure am glad that my retirement request was accepted by PERS and I'll be out soon......
....and the Navy will be stunned when the law of unintended consequences kicks in (as in "Why are we having a retention problem?") - - to leadership: hey dumbsh*ts, leaders who know how to keep morale high by trying to keep it fun are no longer acceptable but queers are?.......sure am glad that my retirement request was accepted by PERS and I'll be out soon......
....and the Navy will be stunned when the law of unintended consequences kicks in (as in "Why are we having a retention problem?") - - to leadership: hey dumbsh*ts, leaders who know how to keep morale high by trying to keep it fun are no longer acceptable but queers are?.......sure am glad that my retirement request was accepted by PERS and I'll be out soon......
....and the Navy will be stunned when the law of unintended consequences kicks in (as in "Why are we having a retention problem?") - - to leadership: hey dumbsh*ts, leaders who know how to keep morale high by trying to keep it fun are no longer acceptable but queers are?.......sure am glad that my retirement request was accepted by PERS and I'll be out soon......
....and the Navy will be stunned when the law of unintended consequences kicks in (as in "Why are we having a retention problem?") - - to leadership: hey dumbsh*ts, leaders who know how to keep morale high by trying to keep it fun are no longer acceptable but queers are?.......sure am glad that my retirement request was accepted by PERS and I'll be out soon......
....and the Navy will be stunned when the law of unintended consequences kicks in (as in "Why are we having a retention problem?") - - to leadership: hey dumbsh*ts, leaders who know how to keep morale high by trying to keep it fun are no longer acceptable but queers are?.......sure am glad that my retirement request was accepted by PERS and I'll be out soon......
....and the Navy will be stunned when the law of unintended consequences kicks in (as in "Why are we having a retention problem?") - - to leadership: hey dumbsh*ts, leaders who know how to keep morale high by trying to keep it fun are no longer acceptable but queers are?.......sure am glad that my retirement request was accepted by PERS and I'll be out soon......
Noted. I'll take that hit.
The best platoon leader in an army in the front trench will do you no good if the senior officers are in their tents pi55ing in their pants sucking their thumbs as the Zulu are at the barricades.
From my many conversations with afloat CO's the worst day in command underway (short of a crewman's death/safety incident) is better than the best day ashore, especially working in the Pentagon, though a COS position ashore falls into the same jurisdiction.
It shouldn't surprise you, sir. They have had their legs of their whites yellow with fear for a long time now. I think all of our fears have been confirmed. Gutless leadership.
<span>you cannot have an African-American lesbian count for any more than two of the three</span>
For now, anyway -- but when the USN is now to 6 carriers in 2035 or so, you're going to have to double count in order to meet the Diversity Diktat's quotas, er, "goals"...
<span><span>you cannot have an African-American lesbian count for any more than two of the three</span>
For now, anyway -- but when the USN is down to 6 carriers in 2035 or so, you're going to have to double count in order to meet the Diversity Diktat's quotas, er, "goals"...</span>
So how far back will big navy reach to find unacceptable behaviour? Will a half-way night skit during a JO tour come back to haunt a rising star 12-15 years later? When we bend/break the culture that defines us in order to accept the latest fad we cease to be what made us a highly effective fighting machine. Wimps don't win wars. This sucks.
Actually it has before. I had a friend who had his promotion to CAPT held up because of a hotline complaint, that was found to be baseless at the time, because someone complained when the list came out. Fortunately for him his CAG and others stood up and did what was right.
I'd say that is true anywhere. As Milton said, "Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven".
Troll.
Well, here's the irony.
If all the COs are hetero white males, they are not diverse. But all hetero African American males? Somewhat diverse (used to be diverse before DADT got repealed). All homosexual males of any color? Diverse. All females of any color and orientation? Diverse. A mix of homosexual minority males and heterosexual and homosexual females? Now you're talkin'.
A Global Force for Activism.
Not surprised. Harvey likes sticking his fingers in pies that get a lot of press. But in matters that are important but receive no media attention, he is surprisingly quiet. Sigh. So Solly, Harvey. We had such great expectations for you. You have let us down. Good luck as our next CNO.
He's nuke qualified, but not on the one-of-a-kind Enterprise reactor plant, which is being held together by EB Green (duct tape) until decommissioning.
Perhaps NR will send one of their civilian Enterprise reactor plant experts to ride the Big E during deployment?
What's the over-under on General Amos' walking papers? :(
He'll stay. For now. But Mullen must have been ecstatic that DADT didn't get repealed until General Conway retired. Rumor was that General Conway would have very publicly resigned in protest.
General Conway and Admiral Mullen could not have been more dissimilar, which would have been apparent to the junior and mid-level military leadership as well as the junior enlisted. Particularly the war fighters. Conway is a warrior. Mullen is a weasel.
See, there's at least one good thing to come out of this: bringing people together!
if Skippy will add himself to the list, I am packing my bags and heading to my dads forest house, ready to fight for survival...
I too do not tell people to join the Navy. I am a fifth generation officer and have told all of my sons that they should not pursue military service (I've always told my daughters that the military isn't for them.)
In sacking a good man for an apparently trivial offense, ADM Harvey did nothing new. In the last 20 years it has become a commonplace, and some of it went on in the previous two centuries. It was a historic, precedent setting move none the less.
The officer in question had been counseled and returned to full duty for the matter in question, if reports are to be relieved. No evidence had come forth in the intervening 5 years that the counseling was not heeded or that there was any repetition of the behavior. Indeed, it appears his conduct of duty in the intervening period has been at the standard expected for an officer of such high rank. Now a flag officer has ruined the man's career despite the previous warning and remediation, i.e. , successful disciplinary action by the man's Commanding Officer.
Henceforward, there is no basis for trust in the chain of command. No one is safe from the pique of a superior at any distance in time due to any well meant error. The worst of us may bring down any of us for any mistep in their past at any time, and loyalty down as a matter of honor is discredited. No one will know, or have the ability to confront his accuser. Due process? Not in the US Navy, from hence forward.
The only honor in this is the surname of the man sacked.
Leadership of the Navy? Nope. Just high ranking officers.
Yep that was me, mispelled my own nom du blog. Blood pressure has not been good this week, sorry.
"Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead and Navy Secretary Ray Mabus first learned of the videos last weekend, spokespeople said, and both supported the decision to fire Honors. They declined to say, however, whether either official pressed for the dismissal, saying only that it was Harvey's decision."
From the Associated Press
SECNAV and CNO showing no spine
I'm betting that he'll be happy when the next Flag Selection Board reports out.
They were lucky they found a former CVN CO at all without having to pull a guy off a ship in SLEP or OVHL. Most of these have either been selected for Flag (a whole other can of worms from a ship command standpoint) or have retired because they weren't. I suspect that finding an experienced CVN CO factored in just as heavily in the decision. At least CAPT Mewbourne doesn't have to learn how to command a carrier while taking her out on deployment.
At least they made the decision (although not the one I'd have made) about CAPT Honors quickly rather than letting it drag out and divert the attention of him and his crew on the eve of deployment. It's curious, 'though, that Holly Graf remained in command abusing her wardroom during the months it took the IG investigation to run it's course rather than something similar happening.
What bothers me, also, are the persistent rumors that he was counseled at the time and stopped producing these videos as a result. If that's the case I'm disturbed that his former CO (or Group Commander) hasn't stepped forward publicly to state "I took this action and, in my command judgement, it was sufficient to remedy the behavior. If you find fault with how I handled this then deal with me."
Let me add, however, that I've also been surprised by the number of my civilian friends who have asked what I think about about this case and their surprise that I don't "hyperventilate" about it.
You wouldn't want the issue of "undue command influence" to rear its ugly head now...
We have become a nation of perpetually offended prisses with ultra-fragile psyches.
Hopefully they won't find our "Hump Day Video" (can I still say that?) from '88. Fortunately I'm retired.
My wife is trained to throw a roll with deadly accuracy. :)
That's why I always scheduled ours while we were deployed. ;)
Suppo, Not sure about the worst days being better, but I totally agree that command at sea sure beats a post-command tour as somebody's Chief of Staff.
Agreed. C-dore also mentions Ms. Graf; I don't recall where I read it (probably here, somewhere) but a commenter observed that sacking Honors was likely payback for Graf. Apparently Balkanized thinking has infected Navy culture to the extent that are now a large number of special classes, each of whom see the game as zero-sum. The logic seems to be "you got a scalp, so we get a scalp."
Admiral Roughead is on the record now as saying the first he knew about the "videos" was this past weekend. Funny... He was on the Enterprise according to a Navy news report on October 29th, 2007. He sat next to a friend of mine at the wardroom that night and watched XO's movie night aboard the Enterprise. He has no recollection of this now I guess. WHERE IS THE INTEGRITY IN OUR SENIOR LEADERSHIP???
That was Aubrey. I think that he is probably right.
you should call up WAVY 10 in VA Beach and the Virginia Pilot with that nugget.
C-dore , as AR has pointed out, given the PAO comments, it is a little late to be worred about that now.
No kidding. Hell, pass it on to Navy Times since they're the ones that put it in print. Let's see if they're a house rag or a real news outlet.
I can't imagine why, Grandpa, since crap like this spells the real death of the Navy.
What, you had to "like" yourself? Isn't that like masturbation? Dude, so uncool...
ADM Harvey has a FFC FB page that announced that happy bit of news on it's FB page. I told him it was a stupid and morally dishonest thing to do.
Gee, and I was hoping that now that the standard of "retroactive accountability" has been established, a similar investigation would be initiated to determine why CAPT Graf's well-known abusive behavior hadn't been observed/documented by her reporting seniors or, if it had, why she had been advanced and selected for major command.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2011/0104/USS-Enterprise-Do-lewd-videos-point-to-deeper-problem-for-military
The diversity sharks are ciricling, since there is blood in the water!
Casey, "Balkanization" within the military has existed for some time although back in my day this kind of thing went on mostly between the warfare communities. A friend of mine was disciplined and his name was removed from the Flag List in the mid-90s in part due to "inter-community payback".
<span>"WHERE IS THE INTEGRITY IN OUR SENIOR LEADERSHIP???"</span>
Same place it was back in '92 when CNO was playing cards and attending 'Hook...Bart Simpson leadership:
"Didn't do it, nobody saw me, can't prove anything."
The really sad thing is I have had the priviledge of serving with and working for some mighty damn fine FO/GO's, all Services operationally and ashore.
Alas, they are now all retired.
Is Admiral Harvey a polliwog?
Nonsense! They are best led who are led the least. Isandlwhana was the generals and field grades and Roark's Drift was sticking it in properly and no mistakes.
So do you girls share the viral tubes from the FOBs where our young soldiers and marines enjoy telling about war and death. I know that you are crazy confused by older men emulating 7 year second graders who so go around tryng to get peers to say, "underwhere" just because it is always fall down funny.
They package it up in easy to swallow traces of incoming .50, outgoing .50/mortar, UCAV, REAPER, artillery and counter-ied Bodies torn to pieces to the sounds of some really crappy heavy metal music usually.
It's just an interesting juxtaposition. We hunting them guys down too?
We used to start, those of us in our own small world with the expression, "that every day is game day!" Make a mistake and die was left unsaid.
Guest,
Seems to me the Mullens and Harveys of the world could use some "game days". And if they come through alive with all their limbs, they might have a better understanding of what is REALLY important, and the value of combat leadership, and how unimportant this stupid video is in the scheme of things.
This is just what the diversity pimps are aiming for: Subdivding everyone into specialized niche parts of the human race, so we can then war against each other, when one group has what another thinks it desreves. How about that Unity thing? Yeah right...
And...while we have read the BS about making the military like the civilian community percentages, they now have a decision to make: They either whoop it up in vistory and praise the day when they made it so all the hetro males left service, or...they will have to, using their own up to now logic: They will have to ensure the "population" of the military matches the general pop percentages. Yes, and as retention and recruitment of hetro males drops of substnatially, they'll have to offer bonuses and perks to get them in/keep them in, and other special incentives...
Since they will never allow special things for the htero males, they will pick the first solution and be happy those who have so dissed the gays are now getting theirs...and, of course, there will be no harassment issues any longer in the new, non-DADTed military.
BTW, did you know of all types of couples, lesbians have the highest rate of domestic violence? Yeah, and like drama queen guys don't get in little spats and tiffs like little girls and not effect normal day to day operations in defending the nation...
But can they order you back to AD? I'm sure if it's sever enough, they will get Congress to pass a law to remove any time constraints, particularly if you dissed a gay person in your "fun."
I would feel offended if i was US citizen... wait, this would only prove your point!
URR, I doubt ADM Mullen cared either way about GEN Conway's retirement date. If he had resigned over DADT repeal, so what? Would not have affected the outcome a whit, and only would have brought discredit on himself. "Conway is a warrior, Mullen is a weasel". Grow up.
So, Jay....in your world standing up for your prinicples brings discredit on yourself?
That explains a great deal about you, I'm afraid...
I practically threw up in my mouth when I read this. It is only anectdotal, but I have seen more false assault claims than I have seen real claims. Also, a lot of the definitians of sexual harassment (all the boys going out and not asking the girls to join for instance) count towards the numbers. It amazes me the self propogation of this crap. They say they are hoping for more complaints of assault. Because they just KNOW there are so many more out there. Because men are evil, women are oh so pure and demure. I say again, the circular logic that says women are so HOOYAH and can fight as well as the men are belong in combat and then in the same breath we say we MUST protect them, their sensibilities and their sexual purity amazes me. How can anybody support both sides?!
For the record, rape and assault are horrible. I have had friends that have endured that crap, went to court, were dragged through the mess or did not even go that far but have had to deal w/ the scarring afterwards. The minimizing of that by calling EVERYTHING assault or harassment is criminal. I saw 13 Sailors get rung up on sexual assault charges as a girl and a few boys were caught on video pinching and mooning each other. She did not feel she was wronged, instigated it and was just hanging with her friends at the beach.
To say that a joking video makes sexual assault happen is a logistical gymnastic move that should be immediately stamped out. But it won't. Sad.
So what? So you lose a respected warrior and leader of Marines instead of a weasel. For standing by his principles. That is grown up.
Mullen is a weasel, and his apologists are weasels, as well.
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