Monday, December 13, 2010

What Condi said ...

Condi vs. Katie on Iraq. Talk about an unfair fight.

41 comments:

xformed said...

I'd have been inclined to ask something like this to the blond lnow it all happy unicorn you bad, bad people:

"If you knew in the mid-90s that the Dot.Com boom would bust, would  you have bought pulled all your money out and bought gold and guns as a safegaurd for you and your family?

or

If you knew when you frist heard H speak at the Dem Convention that you could scammed a free ride in your house by applying for a loan Barney Frank made possible, would you have gotten a huger house and gutted it out until you could freeload on the taxpayer's dime?

Katie is an idiot.  When the person sitting in the middle of the arena, making decisions about the future and the lives of millions has to repeat that no one knows the future to you, you're a functional idiot (she is paid too well), or you're a mind slave to some hidden, larger agenda, consciously or sub conciously, like the rest of the Hate W crowd.

Maybe she likes it better that women were randomly pulled off ther streets, raped, tortured, then feed to the zoo animals for the pleasure of Saddam's sons.  I've always wondered why that news never sparked the largest crowds of women at the US Marine Recruiting offices, clamoring to head to PI and then Iraq...but then, feminists are just Gold Diggers 2.0.

e4grunt said...

I couldn't help but think how fun it would have been if Sec. Rice had asked Ms.Couric, "If you knew then what a ratings disaster your preformance on the CBS Evening News would turn out to be, would you have stll left The Today Show?" 

ewok40k said...

How many people died yearly in Saddams Iraq? With estimate of 10 thousand (just 30 a day is enough to generate that...), the "terrible US firepower" unleashed doesnt seem that bad, and mind you, 90% of civilian casualties was on the AQ bombing campaign...
Road to hell might be paved with good intentions, but wrong reasons may just end up with good results. Trying to impose central government on rebels once ended a slavery in a certain country as a side effect...

Marine6 said...

In a battle of wits, Katie comes unarmed, with predictable results.

xformed said...

I often toyed with the idea to do some demograhic analysis and figure out how many families will now exist into the future, when the "future parents" have not been run through industrial wood chippers, or put into vats of acid.

Somehow deposing this guy, even if you'd like to take it as an "unintended consequence" should be considered a good thing, but this retelling of the "Bush LIED!" is somehow never positioned in parallel with the discussion of just how bad we found out he was, BY INVADING HIS NATION!

Had we not, the libs would safely sleep, soundly, never having to worry their pretty little heads about how others suffer, because they are tired of paying to keep the "World's Police Force" at the ready.

Then again, maybe that's what's got them so pissed.  They can't unknot their panties, now that they have to deal with the information like this as a result.  They also screwed the entire Gulf Coast on the oil spill...

Hey, Katie, if you knew it would be stopped and cleaned up, would you still have supported destroying the US Gulf Coast tourist and business economies like you and your kind did?

If you cold get control of a mic, you could have her get up and leave, just be recounting the bad crap the MSM has visited on everyone, from their ivory towers of "World Changing."

MSM...they hate themselves, but somehow they can't live without themselves.  If there ever was a plausible case for justifiable fratricide, I'd maybe buy into this one.

xformed said...

Just thought of these:

"It's not news unless we can abuse!"

"Hi, we're here from the MSM to embarrass you."  Condi:  "Glad you're here, I was thinking something along the same lines...Have a seat."

Southern Air Pirate said...

Well don't forget the leftist media meme before the invasion was that the sancations were straving kids and killing Iraqis cause they weren't getting the medicince or food they needed to surivive. Even though there were intelligence reports that the Iraqi government was in violation of the "Food for Oil" programs in the UN. If you read some of the even more left leaning magainzes such as Rolling Stone, Atalantic Monthly, or Mother Jones; for as many articles about no food or medicine, there were just as many articles talking about how the whole of South Iraq and the Basra area was just a radioactive hell hole cause of all the Depleted Uranium Rounds put down range during Desert Storm and through out the OSW. If you read some of the tin foil hat brigade stuff over at Democratic Underground then they would have you believe the Allies (ie the US) was dropping chemical and radiological weapons all the time there.

ewok40k said...

paraphrasing arrest rights statement:
"You have right to quote facts and numbers, whatever they will be we'll ignore them, tweak them or just dont understand"

SWOINATOR said...

Now that would be a question I would like to see her answer!

Salty Gator said...

poor Katie...she thought she was going to get a Sarah Palin moment out of a Stanford University PhD / cold warrior / secretary of state / national security advisor?!  Puh-lease.

Salty Gator said...

sometimes it takes a Grunt to distill the bs down to base compounds.  Well said!

DeltaBravo said...

Holy crap on a cracker!  That interview makes me just want to kick that grinning moron chipmunk in the shins for wasting oxygen.

I loved Condi's body language.   The claw hand as she was thinking through her thoughts... you knew she wanted to do it....  steady, girlfriend!  Ain't worth it!  But the smile never wavered and the voice never rose.  Love that woman.  She's my hero.  A true Southern Belle.

...shhh... what's that sound?  Silence, you say?  Not the sound of suicide bombers going off pell mell in shopping plazas and pizza parlours in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv?  Remember who was paying $25k a pop for that... made it a little cottage industry back in the day.  Funny how that nonsense stopped when Saddam was kicked out of his palace.

...shhh... what's that other sound?  Silence, you say?  Yeah... we're standing over Uday and Qusay's holes in the ground.  Which whacko sociopath nut do you think would have taken over Iraq when Daddy took his dirt bath?  You think they would have shared?  Which one do you think would have reconstituted WMD even quicker?

WMD... yeah.  I love the logic.  Obviously these people don't cook.  If you walk into my house, you will NOT find cake.  But if I wanted to, in half an hour I could have one in my oven ready to go.  You see... I have sugar, butter, flour, vanilla, baking powder and eggs in my house.  And a pan.  Wouldn't take long to take the components and make cake.  But if the cake police did a search, I'd be innocent.  If the cake police were morons and ignored the individual components in my cabinet and my history of making dandy cakes in the past.

Same thing.

Ask Syria where all of Iraq's stuff went.  You know... his Baathist friend up north.... yeah... that one.  The one playing footsie with Iran now.

The MSM isn't really stupid.  They are wilfully deceptive.  And dangerous.

Makes my head hurt.

John said...

Condi has sacrificed enough serving our country, but I would love to see her as President!  SHe has more knowledge and judgment than the entire Obama team!

Katie?  Makes Dan Rather look like a professional journalist.  And that is not good for either one of them.

ewok40k said...

or rather comes with dull knife versus katana :P

Actus Rhesus said...

God, I love that woman.

C-dore 14 said...

Pirate, During the run up to the invasion of Iraq, my wife and I were panelists at a community forum discussing various approaches to the situation.  Needless to say, the issue of the "poor, starving, and sick Iraqi children" due to UN sanctions came up.  Before I could answer she commented something along the lines of "Doesn't the Iraqi government bear some responsibility for the condition of its people due to choices they've made regarding distribution of aid and resources?"  There was a silence in hall followed by something about not "being able to control the actions of Sadaam Hussein" but not much else.  Guess "Mother Jones" didn't give them the follow-on position. 

James said...

You know Condi is thinking in her mind "What now b%&^h you been owned"

Ok something to that effect.

Why is it most of the people Obama has elected come off as vapid, venal, arrogant pricks and Bush seemed to have so many smart crackers?

DeltaBravo said...

Because most of Obama's people are vapid, venal, arrogant pricks and Bush's were smart crackers.

DeltaBravo said...

C-dore... I think Saddam's philosophy was "Let them eat gold toilets and faucets" or something like that.   A close and continuing relative camped out in one of those monuments to Saddam's excess and said it was unbelievable.  (Not to mention the buildings full of ammunition and weapons....)

I don't think many people who actually invaded and deposed Saddam left thinking they had wasted their time after what they saw.

xformed said...

And...*drum roll*...a "BFOTO" (Blinding Flash of the Obvious!)

Thanks, DB.

xformed said...

<span>And...*drum roll*...a "BFO" (Blinding Flash of the Obvious!)  
 
Thanks, DB.</span>

Over-the-hill-spook said...

If the link on the webpage is dead, here's another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWAPSRWCZg

Go Condi !!!  (Katie's such a ... putz)

C-dore 14 said...

DB, In 2002 I attended another forum which featured a presentation by Bert Sacks, a local "celebrity" in the anti-war/anti-military community.  It dwelt heavily on the deprivations being felt by the poor Iraqi children because of sanctions although he also made a point of showing a picture of one of the palaces (probably because he'd been told by the Iraqis not to take it).  Afterwards I asked him if he didn't see any problem with a government that would spend its money on palaces and military hardware while allowing its citizens to suffer.  Of course he had no answer beyond the "I can't control what Sadaam does".  As you point out, they all follow the same script.

C-dore 14 said...

DB, BTW, several of the young Marine Corps officers I trained in my last assignment went through the berm and (eventually) into Baghdad.  They had similar reactions to your relative.

Anonymous said...

Nice to see Condi say "we thought he had WMD, but we were wrong" so succinctly.  "We thought he had WMD" is a great justification for any war, and can always be defended with "Prove we didn't think he had WMD."  It's brilliant, bulletproof, although somewhat circular, logic.  I wonder when Dubya will say "we thought he had WMD, but we were wrong, oops."

James said...

OMG YOUR RIGHT!!! =-O

Hell i miss bush. Never trust a person who cant make fun of themselves.

Hell and lets not even forget about boltons mustach..

Quartermaster said...

A fight that should have been stopped before it started. The lamestream media is simply too stupid to judge when they are over matched,

Southern Air Pirate said...

C-dore,

I remember when Bert Sacks use to be an almost constant editorialist reference for the Seattle Weekly (radical left wing), Seattle PI (Alan Conyers Left Wing), and the Evergreen University School Newspaper (makes Pravada look Centrist); when it was time to talk about the horrors of our Mid-East policies. I thought he was supposed to have been in jail for a long time after his stunt of bring food/medicine illegally to Iraq around 1999 or 2000.

Southern Air Pirate said...

Oh I am sorry when was this song and dance played before?

Just sayin' it was Clinton, Albright, Tenet, Shelton, Cohen; with the same song and dance. Except they seemed to say that if Saddam just let our folks back in then war won't come, but when push came to shove they folded like a house of cards cause of the public op-ed said no.

Anonymous said...

DB, the first thing I pointed out when I showed it to my mother was how Condi's voice stays low and steady.  Neither here nor there on Palin, but her voice does rise even when her points are valid.  She has to work on that.

But all your other points are great too.

C-dore 14 said...

Guest, I'm going to assume that you are or have been in the military, have actually had access to intelligence materials and thus have some idea of what you are talking about.  The consensus of the international community from the end of the First Gulf War until the invasion of Iraq was that Sadaam did have WMD and was not complying with the terms of the '91 cease fire agreement.  The only real question was the extent of his program and whether or not he was attempting to develop nuclear weapons.  The Clinton video that Pirate provides is an excellent summary of his administration's position on the issue.  They considered the threat real enough to have the Armed Forces implement an extensive (and disruptive) Anthrax inoculation program for Persian Gulf deployers.  When we entered the Gulf in '98 to strike Iraq in reaction to the expulsion of UN weapons inspectors I was issued gas mask air filtration canisters for the only time in a 30 year career.

Rather than "circular logic" it was conventional wisdom from '91 on and, yes, it was wrong.  Let's not forget that the only reason that we know we were wrong was because we tramped around Iraq for several years.  Of course Saddam's own generals thought that Iraq had WMD, just not in their own units.  

Salty Gator's NMCI Computer Broke said...

Fly away in your Peter Pan Costume, Katie (today show)!  No amount of pixie dust will save you!  Darth Condi has you!  http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/129995.jpg

DeltaBravo said...

Dang, Salty Gator... that was scary! (swearing off children's stories forever now)

C-dore 14 said...

Pirate, Bert was fined $10,000 for his stunt and, of course, appealed that fine as unjust.  Not sure what happened.  He surfaces around Bangor occasionally (although he wasn't one of the folks who were arrested there a couple of years ago).

Southern Air Pirate said...

C-dore,

Well that is a shame. Every time I read one of his silly op-ed pieces, I just rolled my eyes cause it seems he never met an incident where the US wasn't at fault for something and we just need to abolish our government to correct all the world's evil. Oh well, glad that he is educating people to hate thier nation for a while.

Hey on a side note I am supposed to be in the greater Seattle Metro for part of the next week, C-Dore. You want to try and trade sea stories over a cup of coffee some day before the Christmas Holiday? Even though I haven't used it in a while you can get a hold of me via email at popeye20m at yahoo dot com; and we could try to make skeds mix.

Anonymous said...

Form some reading I've done, a number of his generals supposedly had scammed Saddam into funding such projects, and others, like missiles that could see and engage stealth fighters, and would put some of the cash into a demo "lab" with white coat guys.  In actuality, there was no real program, the generals were spiriting away the cash, living the high life (gee...like no one in the middle east is corrupt, except Saddam...).

Now, when you have to send up your inputs for the final UN WMD status report...do you request, as one of those generals, a private meeting with Saddam to say "Boss, I know you're not going to want to hear it, but if I don't tell you know, the UN/US/the World is gonna put the smack down on us...The funny part...and I know you'll laugh...is I really only had a front staged to let you think I really did develop (filli in the blank...)..."

Oh, yeah, that conversation woulda happened, followed by the sound of a 9mm round rearragning gray matter...

xformed said...

<span>Form some reading I've done, a number of his generals supposedly had scammed Saddam into funding such projects, and others, like missiles that could see and engage stealth fighters, and would put some of the cash into a demo "lab" with white coat guys.  In actuality, there was no real program, the generals were spiriting away the cash, living the high life (gee...like no one in the middle east is corrupt, except Saddam...).  
 
Now, when you have to send up your inputs for the final UN WMD status report...do you request, as one of those generals, a private meeting with Saddam to say "Boss, I know you're not going to want to hear it, but if I don't tell you know, the UN/US/the World is gonna put the smack down on us...The funny part...and I know you'll laugh...is I really only had a front staged to let you think I really did develop (filli in the blank...)..."  
 
Oh, yeah, that conversation woulda happened, followed by the sound of a 9mm round rearragning gray matter...</span>

In the long run, I really feel that level of corruption played a significant role in what happened.  Saddam didn't know and was too arrogant to think we'd do anything (after all...he had been getting awya with murder (literall))...What's a dictator to do?  Tell us it was one really really bad practical joke on ther rest of us?

Anonymous said...

Not only is she brilliant, but she also knows football....

P3 said...

Well done Condi.  This calls for a song in celebration of her virtues.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWAPSRWCZg

Therapist1 said...

Not to mention that Clinton himself came out before the invasion saying Sadaam had WMD.

Therapist1 said...

<span>"I loved Condi's body language.   The claw hand as she was thinking through her thoughts... you knew she wanted to do it....  steady, girlfriend!  Ain't worth it!"</span>

LMAO...I know what you mean.  I was waiting for her to smack her in the face and ask whether she might ask a similar question if she knew she would get b!t%h slapped.