Monday, May 30, 2011

The anti-Memorial Day

Want a peek at just a hint of the foam-specked attitude many have towards those in the military?

Well, tax-payer supported Kirk Savage has some thoughts. You really should read it all - but here is a taste.
If our permanent state of war can ever be suspended long enough to allow new war memorials in the capital to go forward, the realities of injury and trauma may emerge front and center. Traditionally, American war memorials avoid the wounded and idealize their soldiers (think of the statues at the Korean and Vietnam memorials). Perhaps in the future, the figure of the disabled soldier will become a new icon for monument designers.

It is also possible that enough time may pass for us to begin to recognize the injury and trauma that have been unleashed on other people in the wars we have fought across the globe. If we are ever authorized to build a monument to the war in Afghanistan or Iraq, I hope we will have the wherewithal and heart to honor their losses — the countless Afghani (sic) and Iraqi civilians dead, wounded and orphaned, caught in the crossfire of our global war on terror. For all our differences in culture, history and allegiance, we share with them the fundamental human cost of war.
What a hate filled, little man. As we go through Memorial Day, remember that a not-small part of the US population are in alignment with Savage. Wait until you have to do a job interview with one and they ask you how broken you are for having served. No, I'm not kidding.

59 comments:

DeltaBravo said...

Well, bless his heart.  He needs real men to preserve his right to denigrate his government and his country.  Must make him mighty mad that dependence upon his betters.  I'd love to see how he'd fare railing like a child under a Saddam Hussein or a Mullah Omar.

Byron said...

Wouldn't mind that fine young man saying those kind of things to my face... then I'd drag his ass-whipped carcass down to the local VFW so he could meet some of the people that earned him the right to put pen to such drivel.

FDNF Squid said...

He (Savage) certainly writes like a smug jerk and hijacks the whole meaning of Memorial Day into his obvious conclusion that any member of the 'modern all-volunteer military' is a mindless automaton who mows down kids overseas....

Ignorance like that is dangerous.

Old H-2 Guy said...

“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.”


<img></img> Theodore Roosevelt

AW1 Tim said...

  I believe him to be a sheep in wolf's clothing. Seems convincing until his bleating gives away the game.

Jennifer said...

I'm anti-memorial day.  We are honoring people because they went and killed other people who we didn't agree with.  It doesn't matter what they did or who they are.  We are honoring killers.

James said...

Shallow, without substance and totaly without a clue like most of his ilk and their fans.

Salty Gator said...

Jennifer, if we were killing people we disagreed with, your ass would have been dead a LONG TIME AGO.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Let's try a revision of ol' TR for BHOpen and Change:

"It is only the critic who counts, the sensitive man who points out how the macho mysogenist man rightfully stumbled, and how the doer of deeds might have been more inclusive in doing them.  The credit belongs to the man who decries the need for an arena, and ridicules he whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes up short again and again; because striving for achievement makes the non-achievers feel bad; who, if he fails, it is due to bad karma from his ancestors possibly owning slaves, and if he succeeds, will have done so only by taking advantage of the ethnically, racially, economically, and sexually disadvantaged, and should be taxed accordingly.  So that his place will always be equal to the cold and timid souls to whom his earnings are distributed, and who vote Democrat".

Kinda catchy, no?

DeltaBravo said...

Troll!  *stomp stomp stomp*  (wiping it off the bottom of my shoe.  Yuck.)

FDNF'er said...

Jennifer, I am glad you have the freedom to write this. I just hope you realize that the "killers" we memorialize today are those that stood between other killers who wanted to kill you and end our way of life. Think of the alternative if good men and women had not stood up to the barbarians that our country has faced since some other brave men founded this country centuries ago.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

No kidding?  Well then, Jennifer.  Nary a connection between the sacrifices of those heroes and your freedom to vomit forth your stupidity from the most ignorant and protected of existences?

Why does that not surprise me?

Just so you know, it is Veterans' Day where we honor those people because they went and killed people we didn't agree with.  See you then!

Salty Gator said...

The real elitists...the hippies, the liberal educated, the true exploiters all feel this way.  Values upset them because they cannot be controlled like what they view as rational thought.  Values can be taught but not by a professor.  They cannot be regulated.  They stand in the face of liberalism.  So they must be eradicated.  Such as the values of service and honor.  Well, there is a flip side to that coin.

Volunteer firefighters don't have to respond when your house is burning.  In my home town, there are sections of town that firefighters don't respond to anymore.  And it isn't the POOR PART OF TOWN EITHER.  Nope, that's where the firefighters come from along with the middle class.  See, where I grew up, in the North East (God bless my heart DB), the richest folks are the most liberal, but they want the liberal social experiment to be played out on the masses, not themselves. And that includes messing with the firefighters even though the organization is volunteer. Additionally, in schools they discourage any discussion of religion, military service, honor, they try to make little boys little girls, and republicans / conservatives are pure evil.

So you are right, liberals, BURN BABY BURN.  But it isn't your draft card, it is your house.

Call me if your kid is trapped, else you're hosed. We fight your wars, we fight your fires, we are your cops, your paramedics, your kids coaches.  All volunteer.  But we aren't your CHOMPS.

CDR Salamander said...

Ahhh, Jennifer - thank you.  It is so good now and then to see such a clarified example of the pampered, ignorant, selfish, and self-important.  All feeling and no thought.  The world began at your birth and is all directed at your ability to have access to a good IP connection.

DeltaBravo said...

SG, there's a difference between "God bless you" and "Bless your heart."  God bless YOU!  ;)
Volunteer firefighters rock.  They don't even get paid for what they do!

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Jennifer is a Professor of Womens' Studies and Feminism at Columbia University and is paid $345,000/yr. 

DeltaBravo said...

Gentlemen, I've met "Jennifers" before.  They hate military men because the Jennifers are so nasty they couldn't get taken home if they approached 20 drunken sailors in a bar at 0200.

Sadly I'm listening to the president give his speech and admit he will never understand the pain of military families losing someone to battle.  His little world is quite insulated from that pain.  He's quite safe from losing anyone close and personal to any war.  How nice for him. 

ewok40k said...

well, for one I'm glad to honor those "killers" that liberated Dachau and Los Banos...
when somebody tries to kill my entire nation, I feel that to say I dont agree with him is a little understatement?

James said...

You make 345k a year? How much of that do you give away to the poor of the appalachian mountains? Or any other group like that which isnt rolling in dow? Or to those who come home wounded from war? Or to those organizations that defend your life, liberty and freedoms.

Of course what would i know i make barely a fraction or that by working 8 hrs a day sometimes 7 days a week (in the summer i can work for over a month straight without a day off) in temps anywhere from 80's to over the 100's with horrible humidity while working in hard physical labour.

I've always found it interesting how the most arrogant ungreatfull of people can live such high lifestyles.

Grandpa Bluewater. said...

Jennifer, If you truly believe we are all killers, why are you working so hard to annoy us?

Aubrey said...

And that is what really drives them nuts DB - his freedom and livelihood are both utterly dependent on those he (and other liberals & academics) consider beneath him - soldiers and taxpayers.  That dependence leads to a shame and self-loathing that can only be assuaged by further attacking and denigrating those he despises.

DeltaBravo said...

Once again GBW boils it down to its bare essence...

Dan McClinton said...

You know it occurs to me that Mr. Savage rails against the statuary at war memorials because it reminds him of a person he could never be. 

If he wants to see the sacrifice then go read the names on the black wall.  If one can not gaze at the WWII memorial and not contemplate all the sacrifices made to secure our nation against an onslaught designed to wipe our way of life off the face of the earth then they were given a sub-par education...no matter how much they or daddy paid for it.

CDR K said...

I'm going to frame this.

AW1 Tim said...

  Once again, the argument for overhauling our entire public school system is made plainly and simply.

   Jennifer, you probably just did a drive-by trolling, and likely don't possess the courage to see what responses you might get to your unsupported statement. You seem to be the cowardly type who throws a brick through the window in the dark of night, rather than say your peace to someone's face. Let me leave you, then, with the following.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Byron said...

That's right, Jennifer. Murdering, ravenous sonsofbitches that go out and rape, pillage and burn... oh wait, that's who our citizen soldiers have to kill in the LINE OF DUTY, you ignorant woman! So that you can spit on their graves and then try to slap my friends in the face, you jackass! So you can live your pampared life knowing that Islamics who'd like nothing more than slap a burkqha on your ugly puss (now that would be a good thing for real men, I expect you're ugly as sin) won't get the chance to because...rough men stand ready to kill those who would do your foolish ass harm.

Southern Air Pirate said...

Jennifer,

Than you for your support. I think if you study the history, it is the solider who hates war. For it is the solider who has seen the true horros of war. It is the solider who knows the true beauty of peace. It is the politicio that screams the loudest for action, it is the philoshper who screams for action in places where there is no hope, it is the press that supports both the politico and the do-gooder and then supports all as they cluck thier tongues about the injured solider and broken civilians.

Southern Air Pirate said...

Byron,

She isn't ignorant. Just mis-educated about the true evils that exists in the world. I am sure that she like Mr. Savage believe that if we just apologize for our mistakes and sing kumbaya while hugging everyone it will bring the garden of eden back to the world. She and her educated friends fail to understand is that humanity is animialistic at its nature and for as long as you own something I want, well I will resort to violence to get that thing. Just smile at her and shake your head at her unwillingess to accept the world as a violent and viciious place.

Southern Air Pirate said...

I think that Mr. Savage being an Art Major helps explain a little bit about his misunderstanding about Memorial Day. Remember that in Art you either absoutlely hate something or you absoultely like something. In the art world there is no in between. So I am glad to see his hatred laid bare simply cause it helps to explain as the good CDR has talked about in the past with the anti-war/crowd is that as we seperate more and more of our population seperates itsself between the constant school going crowd and the folks who want to do rough duty in the service and prove their citizenship we will see only more and more of this hate coming out.  I am leaning more and more in our nation that maybe Heinlien was right to be a full member of the nation with all the rights you need to do work in proving your citizenship. Whether that is service as a police officer, fire fighter, military, or some similar service corp providing something tangiable (like the old CCC from pre-WW2 time frame) to the country. If you're not doing that then you don't deserve the right of being a voting member of the nation.

Old H-2 Guy said...

Theodore is doing slow rolls.........

DeltaBravo said...

Think you're onto something there, SouthernPaw AirPilot:

Being an artist nowadays also means taking something and instead of seeing it as it is and replicating that on canvas or in marble... you distort it to your "idea" of it's real nature and spit it back to the public in a mutated, mutilated and transmogrified fashion.  The representation is subjective and done through the filter of the artist, who becomes the author of the new reality.  And who expects everyone else to subsidize his brilliance, whether they want to or not.

Southern Air Pirate said...

Oh and I think that Rudyard Kipling said it best as a way to retort to the anti-war/anti-military folks.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Rings just as true today...

"Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,"

Stu said...

Just no "Boots."

DeltaBravo said...

Sigh... that Kipling... he keeps forgetting to finish his poesy:

Well, Tommy ain't so dumb, ye know, he has a brain or two.
'E can see who does support 'im, an' what they say an' do.
Don't blame him if the wolf comes 'round, the sheep begin to bleat
An' ye whistle fer the sheepdog 'ye drove into the street.
    For it's doggy this, an' doggy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
    But it's "Oh we love our sheepdogs" when the guns begin to shoot;
    Well, it's love us now, an' love us then, do not pick or choose;
    Or doggy may not hear yer' call -- and to the wolf you'll lose!

Jay said...

SG - if the volunteer firefighters in your town have any honor, or sense of service, then there is no section of your town that they wouldn't perform a rescue mission. If what you say is true, they sully the name of volunteer EMS folks nationwide. As a former volunteer EMT, I find that disgusting. What. A. Shame.

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Jay, perhaps in your moralistic self-righteousness, you missed this: "<span>Call me if your kid is trapped, else you're hosed."</span>

But please, feel free to lecture the volunteer firefighter about sense of service.

Twerp.

ewok40k said...

AW1 Tim, there is one step further... Mill was writing that in the good old times when war was waged by the military against military, and mostly in the empty fields. But then some... things happened. Like industrial war, Nazism and Bolshevism. And recently Muslim extremism that doesnt get proper name yet. And sometimes, there is only choice of dying fighting or dying on enemy's terms... There are enemies that dont accept tribute, encircle you so you cant flee and exterminate you without mercy. You can accept a temporary loss of freedom if there is no chance of winning it back... but sometimes enemy is not after your freedom or your wealth, sometimes he is after your very existence.

Byron said...

Salt, URR, in this one instance, I'm with Jay.

SCOTTtheBADGER said...

Delta is a poetess! A good one, too!

UltimaRatioRegis said...

Here's betting you don't treat volunteer firemen like low-life hired help, Byron. 

SCOTTtheBADGER said...

Grad school at UC Berkley really sums it all up, doesn't it?

SCOTTtheBADGER said...

Here in WI, we appreceate our Vollies, and support them by making Pierces, Seagraves and Darleys for them.  Of course, one of the reasons we appreceate them is the huge area of Wisconsin covered with pine forests, we are a very flammable state.

Grumpy Old Ham said...

<span>graduate school in art history at UC Berkeley, where I earned a PhD in 1990</span>

You know, a lot of resentment builds up after only making assistant manager at the local Burger King in just 10 years...

Grumpy Old Ham said...

<span>The world began at your birth and is all directed at your ability to have access to a good IP connection.</span>

Probably leeching off the free Wi-Fi at the local Starbucks, at that.  I think those all have reverse DNS lookups of "att.net" these days, in case you'd care to check, boss.  :)

Grandpa Bluewater. said...

DB:   Artists are one thing. Art Majors are quite another.

Artists never talk about their Ph. D in Art.   They create beautiful artifacts or beautiful contributions to literature, sculpture, film, music or theater, or beautiful adornments to useful and necessary things, from baby dolls to 18 wheelers to sewer systems. Artists are makers.

Art majors are more often in the other two categories...takers, and fakers.

There is no fourth category.

Squidly said...

Jennifer,

These "killers" as you refer to our heroes, only killed because they were directed to by our elected civilian leaders.  We do not go out unilaterally and execute wars unless we are directed to.  War is politics & diplomacy by other means...we are but tools to implement whatever national strategy has been directed.  

We did not begin the War of Northern Aggression (despite the moniker), WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Gulf War I, OIF, OEF or countless other brush fires.  The military followed the orders of our elected civilian leaders. 

Kids starting in the military make a fraction of their employed peers, frequently work 18 hour days seven days a week while deployed.  And many do that to serve their country...your country...they serve you.  They enable you to freely make statements such as you have.  

That's dedication.  That's heroism.  Give them the respect they deserve.   

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Salty Gator said...

sorry the above was me.
Jay, you are the last person on earth who should ever lecture me about honor.  Absolutely.  Positively.  the last person.  You haven't responded to these people's houses, been burning yourself as you try to vent their roof and have them shouting at you to mind this or mind that while you recall that they and their ilk were just trying to imminent domain your firehouse just the week prior, of which your membership is the sole owner, not the town or county or state.
My brothers and I have protected more life and property that I can shake a stick at.  We're the kind of guys who rush into burning buildings with tarps to protect your Steinway piano even as the house is threatening to come down around us just so--by chance--if it doesn't, we don't want to flood your prized possession. 
Final point, Jay:  if your attention to detail in an EMT rescue mimics your reading comprehension, I hope that your organization carried outstanding malpractice insurance.

Casey Tompkins said...

What's weird, Ewok, is that she is -in her own twisted way- correct. We Americans don't agree with slavery, militaristic empires, Fascism (or Nazism), Communism, or reactionary religious fanatics obsessed with the 12th century. And, yes, we killed a lot of the buggers during the ..ahh... arguments.

One must conclude that she supports or admires some or all of the above-listed groups, else their deaths wouldn't bother her so much. Prolly the commies (er, excuse me, Marxists).

pk said...

this jennifer reminds me of when i was going to school in the sixties. it was an age when all of the guys were trying to dodge the draft and all of the gals were edging them on.

the school was a land grant school and because of that they had an extensive ROTC establishment for both army and air force.

the liberal arts contingent (it was an engineering school) was constantly up in arms about the rotc thing and it didn't help when an army major attached to the school used to challenge the top end courses of the philosophy and history departments and pass the challenge exams with flying colors. (he supposedly did the philosophy exam with a 98% grade by flipping a coin).  they simply could not hoist it aboard that military were not simply knuckle draggers that should take orders from their betters.

c

OldCOB said...

I can't help but wonder if jennifer is the person who spit at me in the Houston airport when I returned home from boot camp in '71.  She was unkept, smelled bad and hurled a number of foul sentiments at me, including the standard "baby killer."  I dodged the phlegm, but I'll never forget the look in my father's eyes (WWII vet).

andrewdb said...

Scott - COL Gian Gentile is also a Cal alumn.  Not all of us are idiot peaceniks like Dr. Savage.

andrewdb
Cal '83

pk said...

there is a tail that a load of soldiers were leaving their contract aircraft when arriving home from viet nam in the sanfrancisco area.

a hippy was demonstrating with the usual, for that time, diatribe about baby killers etc.etc.etc.

one of the lads, without breaking stride, slugged him so hard that he went down with major neck damage to  the point of semiparalysis.

of course none of the soldiers knew who did it and all he could remember was it was a guy in green clothes.

Salty Gator said...

I'd like to have us stop saying one thing, "these men and women died for your right to say / do xxxx".  no they didn't.  Our heros, our brothers and sisters, certainly did NOT have these people in mind in their dying moments.  no. they thought of their loved ones, your families, their friends, certainly their God, but they did not think of some worthless punk running his mouth, spitting on the flag and hating his country.  Lord, what a horrible last thought to think of.  Thank God we know it not to be the case.  Our friends, comrades, fellow Americans die for WORTHY causes.  For Freedom!  For Life!  Liberty!  Pursuit of Happiness!  for loved ones, for friends, for those next to them in the line of fire.  for America.

Dave Navarre said...

Gotta love the Darleys!

Anonymous said...

im from afghanistan and i would just like to say FUCK YOU AMERICA, you fat asses hahahaha.

Anonymous said...

I would like to query that how many of you coragous people receive a majority of their income from the all-powerful benevolent U.S. Government? I never asked anyone to "protect" me. I am all for the defense of our nation but how is bombing innocent people in undeclared (and therefore unconstitutional) wars doing that? And don't gripe about me saying that I can only say these things because of the military. The founding fathers didn't spend their lives so an almighty superpower could put bases all over the world and force nations to follow the U.S 's will. We have become the very thing that our ancestors fought against. It is time for a revolution! RON PAUL 2012!!!

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