tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post8746495786506970196..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Fullbore FridayCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger133125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-23083986520394637052011-09-21T18:04:33.000-04:002011-09-21T18:04:33.000-04:00I hear all this, you know, “Well, this is class wa...I hear all this, you know, “Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever.”—No!<br />There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.<br />You built a factory out there—good for you! But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn’t have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did. Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea—God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.Liz Warrennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-54397462174271843612011-09-21T16:32:01.162-04:002011-09-21T16:32:01.162-04:00Guest,
Please tell me more about what I owe my so...Guest,<br /><br />Please tell me more about what I owe my society. I am fascinated by your line of reasoning. Please define what you think is service. And please, tell me what I take. And my obligation to "give back". HOW I should give back, and who should mandate my legal obligation to do so. <br /><br />I think my favorite part of the sanctimonious far-left is when I get the lectures on service and sacrifice. So please. Go on.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29075758522297777712011-09-21T16:04:12.010-04:002011-09-21T16:04:12.010-04:00<span> </span>Selfish as in take, and ...<span> </span>Selfish as in take, and don’t give back. You magical self-made rich supermen don't owe anything to the society that nurtured you because you have earned every dime of their fortunes all by yourselves without any help from the government. <br /><br /><span> </span>Let's take a well-known Galtian Overlord such as Steve Jobs, truly one of the most inventive CEOs of our generation. Contrary to what you may have heard, Jobs did not, in fact, teach himself how to read and do math. Rather, he attended a public high school, just like the vast majority of American children. The young Jobs was able to attend school in the first place because of government regulations that barred child labor and mandated schooling. Added to this, the young Jobs benefited from having publicly-funded police and fire departments that ensured that he survived until he was rich enough to afford his own private security detail. If Rick Perry had been governor of California and had dramatically slashed funds to first responders, then our budding young Galtian Overlord might have died in a wildfire instead of inventing the iPhone.<br /><br /><span> </span>And of course there are other ways you tea-party boobs have has benefitted from the government, from a legal system that protects intellectual property to a military that prevents the Queen of England from coming into your home and bossing you around to a social safety net that insured that even if you aren’t a success, you will not die destitute in the street and unable to pay your medical bills in your old age. <br /><br /><span> </span>So yes, I would say you owe a lot to an American government that offers some of the lowest personal income tax rates in the industrialized world. And, if there were any merit to the silly superstition you call religion, it could stand on its own without government help. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-57503987291462783162011-09-21T09:45:34.223-04:002011-09-21T09:45:34.223-04:00Keeping the money I earn = selfish.
Limiting the...Keeping the money I earn = selfish. <br /><br />Limiting the power of the Federal Government to Constitutional limits = ignorant of history. <br /><br />Separation of church and state = Government outlawing religion.<br /><br />Got it. Thanks for the history lesson.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78487336651677195812011-09-21T09:27:43.450-04:002011-09-21T09:27:43.450-04:00<span> </span>Is there anything more i...<span> </span>Is there anything more ironic than the tea party? A bunch of selfish Torys dressing up in the costumes of their enemies and parading around carrying, "keep the government out of my social security" signs. Thomas Jefferson, John Adams and Thomas Paine were as liberal as they come, Thomas Jefferson is the textbook liberal. Did you know he cut up his bible? Did you know he was the proponent of the wall that separates church from state? Didn't think so. <br /><br /><span> </span>It is a bit scary that this group is so ignorant of history. "Storming the bastille was murder. Plain and simple. Had little to nothing to do with liberty." Really? The French Revolution had "little to nothing to do with liberty." The. French. Revolution. <br /><br /><span> </span>You can take this stance, and if you want to you should, but, you can't take this stance and claim not to be a king lover. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73688202016173081802011-09-20T09:49:19.318-04:002011-09-20T09:49:19.318-04:00Trolljacks need to be kicked into the moat for the...Trolljacks need to be kicked into the moat for the gators to play with. (Poor Badger is tired of cleaning the stains on the porch.)DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-64425835564406419942011-09-20T09:26:48.956-04:002011-09-20T09:26:48.956-04:00CDR, I am sorry that I allowed myself to get sucke...CDR, I am sorry that I allowed myself to get suckered into this threadjack, and for losing my cool in a string of profanity not fit for the southern front porch of a friend. Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83791282288700157782011-09-19T23:12:09.672-04:002011-09-19T23:12:09.672-04:00"<span>Yup, Terrorists can't respe..."<span>Yup, Terrorists can't respect the opinions of others, they have a closed society that self reinforces, and decries those that question them."</span><br /><br />HOLY CRAP! I used to call those people "College Faculty"!!!UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29360346082311736052011-09-19T22:44:07.747-04:002011-09-19T22:44:07.747-04:00Yup, Terrorists can't respect the opinions of ...Yup, Terrorists can't respect the opinions of others, they have a closed society that self reinforces, and decries those that question them. Thank you for being a good example.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59366062433886150272011-09-19T22:37:50.541-04:002011-09-19T22:37:50.541-04:00Wow. Just wow. Way to come here and crap all ove...Wow. Just wow. Way to come here and crap all over a MOH post. Negotiating with terrorists? REALLY???!!! All because Bubba is tone deaf to a good metaphor?DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59082863055185651562011-09-19T22:18:17.674-04:002011-09-19T22:18:17.674-04:00Bubba, this is where the front porch comes to be c...Bubba, this is where the front porch comes to be condescending. You shouldn't bother. It's like negotiating with terrorists. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-26638182624810186082011-09-19T22:03:34.909-04:002011-09-19T22:03:34.909-04:00You condescending son of a bitch. Who the hell do...You condescending son of a bitch. Who the hell do you think pledged their lives, their treasure and their sacred honor? It wasn't the frickin liberals. Who defends liberty today? Who serves in the armed forces and not just to pay their school loans? Who marches in the tea party and not for more welfare stamps?<br /><br />You want to talk about revolution? Storming the bastille was murder. Plain and simple. Had little to nothing to do with liberty. Perhaps you also think that the reign of terror was a good idea too? Off with their heads, right Robespierre?<br /><br />Let me speak in as plain langauge as possible for your simple little mind. If you try something like that today, you will last two seconds in the street. Because unlike your baseball bat wielding anarchist buddies who attack inanimate objects and defenseless women / old people, patriots are armed.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59402151709655237502011-09-19T17:56:54.742-04:002011-09-19T17:56:54.742-04:00"<span>Then, apparently like now, the r..."<span>Then, apparently like now, the right wing favored the king’s exercise of arbitrary, absolute power."</span><br /><br />You don't know quite what you were talking about, do you?<br /><br />The first revolution? Not hardly. Viewed as a waypoint on a continuum, the 1381 "Tyler's Rebellion" is much more significant. As is Runnymede.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-70675007797043794492011-09-19T17:10:10.592-04:002011-09-19T17:10:10.592-04:00I'm not talking about a "bailout" pa...I'm not talking about a "bailout" package, "hate crimes", "hate speech", or "diversity"-generated racial or gender quotas. I’m talking ‘bout a revolution. <br /><br />Few Americans know anything about the English Civil Wars, as evidenced by the comments above. It was the first revolution, the mother of all revolutions, fueled by an ideology of liberty and equality, that led directly to our revolution. Sure, four hundred years later it is easy, for some of us, to express that the idea of a king is abhorrent and that a just government derives from the consent of the governed. In 1642 . . . <br /><br /><br />BTBubbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-51496095683506660072011-09-19T15:07:18.093-04:002011-09-19T15:07:18.093-04:00Bubba,
The point was the Louis XIV, XV and XVI we...Bubba,<br /><br />The point was the Louis XIV, XV and XVI were western absolutists whom believed in the divine right of kings, the last being almost a century and a half after Charles I's demise. <br /><br />As for your "right wing king lovers" comment, grow up. The accountability is in the Constitution. Leaf through it from time to time. And find me the part about mandating the purchase of health insurance, paying tax money to unions in a "bailout" package, or any reference therein to "hate crimes", "hate speech", or "diversity"-generated racial or gender quotas.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-57908952980226382012011-09-19T14:58:34.426-04:002011-09-19T14:58:34.426-04:00Charles I was tried, and executed, in 1649. Louis...Charles I was tried, and executed, in 1649. Louis XIV, the Sun King, died of gangrene at Versailles on 1 September 1715, four days before his 77th birthday, and sixty-six years after the death of Charles I. Louis XV died on 10 May 1774 of smallpox at the Palace of Versailles, one hundred and twenty-five years after Charles I. Louis XVI was arrested as part of the insurrection of August 10, 1792, when the French finally gave one of their kings proper treatment, one hundred and forty-three years after the execution of Charles I. <br /><br />Magna Carta was a step, but only a small step. It was the trial and execution of Charles I, by Parliament, that was the first step to a population governing itself. All the revolutions that followed, from ours to the Arab Spring, are following the path first taken by the Parliamentarians. <br /><br />Remember that the very name “right wing” comes from this time. The king’s men sat on the right, or favored, side of the chamber. Then, apparently like now, the right wing favored the king’s exercise of arbitrary, absolute power. "Kings are not bound to give an account of their actions but to God alone," said Charles. That idea, the divine right of kings, started to die with the death of Charles.<br /><br />For the first time in history, a group of elected representatives exercised political power; charging, trying, convicting and executing a king for treason. Dust off your Declaration of Independence; God did not pick a king, God gave men certain “natural rights,” including the right to overthrow an oppressive government. <br /><br /><br />Nutty right-wing king lovers. Bubbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-13853932806392904822011-09-19T12:01:27.177-04:002011-09-19T12:01:27.177-04:00And one other point, Bubba. Such a typical libera...And one other point, Bubba. Such a typical liberal. Start a food fight and then lecture everyone on proper table manners.<br /><br />I may be a former officer, and depending on the country I step foot in, a gentleman by birth rite (get over it), but he who sticks his nose up at me has to worry about having it broken.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-91474795335365115122011-09-19T11:56:23.999-04:002011-09-19T11:56:23.999-04:00You are on crack cocaine. That is like saying tha...You are on crack cocaine. That is like saying that the murder of Tsar Nicholas and his entire family during the Bolshevik revolution was the watershed moment of eastern european democracy. The signing of the Magna Carta in 1215 was the watershed moment of Western Democracy.<br /><br />Go back to school.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-35583697976802924042011-09-19T11:31:28.019-04:002011-09-19T11:31:28.019-04:00Louis XIV, XV, and XVI could not be reached for co...Louis XIV, XV, and XVI could not be reached for comment. UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-77164660140914705672011-09-19T11:27:59.370-04:002011-09-19T11:27:59.370-04:00<span> </span>This is not the post for...<span> </span>This is not the post for this discussion, but, the trial and execution of Charles I is one of the watershed movements in human history. The idea was that a king ruled by divine right, the people do not have, “a share in government that is pertaining to them,” was put to rest when Charles was tried, and executed.<br /><br /><span> </span>The modern world began when Parliament, 59 members of Parliament, not Cromwell acting alone, signed the warrant for Charles’ execution. The idea that a population could try, convict, and execute their sovereign was revolutionary and led directly to our system of government.Bubbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46516067142852334592011-09-19T09:26:22.344-04:002011-09-19T09:26:22.344-04:00Bubba, you are a literalist mucking about quite lo...Bubba, you are a literalist mucking about quite lost in metaphor country. Pay attention to the map everyone keeps trying to hand you.DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-79775599806298098042011-09-19T09:07:14.129-04:002011-09-19T09:07:14.129-04:00<span>Oliver Cromwell as an icon of republi...<span>Oliver Cromwell as an icon of republicanism? Huh. Is that the same Cromwell who dissolved Parliament, and whose armies, with his full knowledge, massacred thousands of Irish civilians and Catholic clergy at Wexford and Drogheda? <br /> <br />He was a Puritanical theocrat, whose brutally arbitrary and capricious methods are more comparable to Robespierre than Madison.</span>UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-35143468844989981402011-09-19T08:27:39.256-04:002011-09-19T08:27:39.256-04:00For those who may not understand Bubba Gump's ...For those who may not understand Bubba Gump's reference, Oliver Cromwell signed the death warrant of Charles I on January 30th, 1649. Cromwell was not a democrat, small 'd', nor a republican, small 'r.' He appointed himself dictator for life, started multiple wars across Europe--including hostilities with Sal's beloved Dutch--and was guilty of a massive internal Stalinist purge. Cromwell was ultimately poisoned, fitting, because that is what he did to the United Kingdom.<br /><br />Bubba, you are showing your true colors. "Anybody but Bush," right? So you end up with an Obama. "Anybody but Charles." So you ended up with Cromwell. You would probably consider that just, but it isn't. Not only do the ends not justify the means, but the means are devoid of ethics.<br /><br />Read YN2's post.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-41591086323600701832011-09-19T06:50:13.129-04:002011-09-19T06:50:13.129-04:00The greatest day of the year is January 30th! The...The greatest day of the year is January 30th! The modern world began when our republican forefathers first proved there is no divine right by removing an inbreed autocrat’s head from his body. Bubbanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-7481216202749335382011-09-19T01:14:57.749-04:002011-09-19T01:14:57.749-04:00I wish I could remember where I saw Bing West inte...I wish I could remember where I saw Bing West interview about Sgt Meyer? Perhaps ABC Sunday?leeseanoreply@blogger.com