tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post623423749270259925..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Colton goes Salamander on LPD-17CDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-4655689397404518742013-03-13T10:09:55.455-04:002013-03-13T10:09:55.455-04:00http://www.cafb29b24.org/docs/buyativan/#74258 ati...http://www.cafb29b24.org/docs/buyativan/#74258 ativan xr - ativan gradual withdrawalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-44956275846268123442010-10-05T15:42:04.000-04:002010-10-05T15:42:04.000-04:00the budding Kings and Nimitzes have probably left ...the budding Kings and Nimitzes have probably left the fleet as short commanders because of the diversity issues.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59661385478391725062010-10-05T15:23:37.000-04:002010-10-05T15:23:37.000-04:00But hasn't NAVSEA garnered all sorts of praise...But hasn't NAVSEA garnered all sorts of praise and awards for their Diversity program and huggly snuggly employer of choice stuff? I am certain the change of focus from building great sea going vessels to percentage of skin color and gender make up in all their pictures has had no effect on their production and inspection capability. Time and money are both commodities and if you spend them on stuff that has nothing to do w/ your specific mission, you are going to lose efficacy. We have asked for metrics on diversity and how "valuable" it is to our successful mission completion. Sadly, the metrics are there and the lack of accountability has just furthered our misguided energy. Diversity is wonderful, but diversity as the mission is useless. Get back to mission focus, recruit across the spectrum and train all to the mission set. EO is the policy. Follow it and diversity will not be a concern. Knuckleheads. LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-32043253036862238742010-10-05T10:13:59.000-04:002010-10-05T10:13:59.000-04:00<span>Also reported by Navy Crimes at <sp...<span>Also reported by Navy Crimes at <a href="http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/10/ap-court-martial-san-antonio-100110/" rel="nofollow"><span>http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/10/ap-court-martial-san-antonio-100110/</span></a></span>Bad link?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-91324357606178600302010-10-05T10:12:23.000-04:002010-10-05T10:12:23.000-04:00Also reported by Navy Crimes at http://www.navytim...Also reported by Navy Crimes at <a href="http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/10/ap-court-martial-san-antonio-100110/" rel="nofollow">http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/10/ap-court-martial-san-antonio-100110/</a>Another linknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-26208726562730946122010-10-05T10:09:37.000-04:002010-10-05T10:09:37.000-04:00<span>Sal said "As I said years ago, if...<span>Sal said "As I said years ago, if we throw enough money and burn through enough Sailors, we can fix this Class of ships - but look at the cost." The former XO of SAN ANTONIO is one of those Sailors. He's about to go on trial for negligence, when the real cause of a small boat mishap was the poor design and cost-cutting that has caused many of the other problems. I hope Sean Kearns is permitted to raise these troubling issues in his trial next month! </span><br /><span> <a href="http://hamptonroads.com/2010/09/san-antonio%E2%80%99s-former-secondincommand-faces-courtmartial" rel="nofollow">http://hamptonroads.com/2010/09/san-antonio%E2%80%99s-former-secondincommand-faces-courtmartial</a></span><br /><span></span>At what cost...noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-84036720910242249172010-10-05T10:00:51.000-04:002010-10-05T10:00:51.000-04:00USA being the US Army....not the current Telepromp...USA being the US Army....not the current Teleprompter-in-ChiefAubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47451967636976190232010-10-05T10:00:02.000-04:002010-10-05T10:00:02.000-04:00Say what you want about Rickover being a narcissis...Say what you want about Rickover being a narcissistic* psychopath and a bit of a nutjob, but the man knew how to run a program...<br /><br /><em>*I am NOT spelling that again!</em><br /><em></em><br /><br />As a historian I am a believer in the concept that it takes incredible times to reveal incredible men, and I think the current leadership in the USA and USMC shows that the times have revealed the true leaders in their midst. Somewhere out in the fleet there HAS to be another King or Nimitz - what does it take to find him?Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-33088702449941817202010-10-05T00:09:50.000-04:002010-10-05T00:09:50.000-04:00I have an un-pc opinion about the Navy Shipbuildin...I have an un-pc opinion about the Navy Shipbuilding programs. Has it gone down hill since SecNavy Lehman relieved Rickover of his postion? Do we need another Rickover to come in and fix the programs, and basically rule with a despotic titatium clad fist? Or do we not have anyone with that attitude nor passion like Rickover had with nuclear power?<br />I would say that the submarine service and the US Nuclear Navy succeeded because Rickover had an overwhelming despotic rule on who came in, who worked at "his" yards, and what they knew. When you compare our programs to the Soviet programs and even to a lesser extent the rest of the world. We only had loss of two submarines both of which were to accidents. No reactor breeches, and for the most part the hulls came in at or under budget, and the yards were able to quickly turn around the hulls to be back in the fleet with minimual issues.Southern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-32564558609571892442010-10-04T20:45:44.000-04:002010-10-04T20:45:44.000-04:00I must ask is this the end of problems for LPD-17?...I must ask is this the end of problems for LPD-17? I highly doubt as I have no confidence that Avondale did any thing right with this ship. Shame on SUPSHIPS for not having a inspection plan and/or inspectors. One would think that SUPSHIPS would have a nice salty LDO LCDR engineering type on shore duty for these types of inspections.ShawnPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-12480044413519642942010-10-04T19:37:31.000-04:002010-10-04T19:37:31.000-04:0052 years ago my first foreman in the ship repair w...52 years ago my first foreman in the ship repair work told me that, it's the DUMB LITTLE DETAILS THAT WILL KILL YOU!!!!!!!<br /><br />as i remember the lube oil pumped into the main reduction gears cascades out of holes in the bottom of the casing into a tank formed by the structure that holds the gearing and the inner hull of the ship. the snipes have to crawl in there about every six months and hand clean the crud out of the bottom of that tank. while you're in there all you have to do is look up and lo and behold there are the bolts that hold the gearing down. and there are also the sections of the frames in question.<br /><br />public repair yards make thousands of "fitted" bolts (also called body bound on the west coast) usually at a forced draft because the schedule for that particular job is getting down to the bitter end.<br /><br />yard management knows about it, ships supt. knows about it shop 38&31 know about it. ships force might not as it only comes up when machinery is removed and reinstalled.<br /><br />several questions raise their ugly heads.<br /><br />is the reduction gearing properly in alignment? if not it will cause vibration in the main shafting and the first line shaft bearing & bull gear bearings to wear prematurely.<br /><br />have the snipes been dilligent in cleaning the main lube oil sump? and if so why haven't they noticed and "bucked up the chain" the fact that a number of beams are cut and not rewelded.<br /><br />what about the inspectors? yes you have to be skinny (i bless the day that i got to fat to crawl into them spaces) but all it takes is a little tap tap with a small ball peen to check that stuff and i believe that its on the list of critical items for main propulsion.<br /><br />one other thing. have the snipes actually been cleaning the sumps. there was one of the last of the APA's on the west coast in the middle 80's that they didn't and after a couple of years they had worn every bearing in the main engine lube oil system (turbines and gearing). on inspection the bearings were worn about .015" over sized and the turbine shafting etc. about .005 undersized. on discovery the skipper had a sleeve stripping session at mast (4 crows and two taxi driver hats) the Cheng and MPA retired by liberty call and the captain lost some numbers. all in a couple of days.<br /><br />main engines are about as serious as you can get in the mechanical world.<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-80431082611679452862010-10-04T18:16:20.000-04:002010-10-04T18:16:20.000-04:00EXPERIMENT: How about taking the NAVSEA PMS-317 ...EXPERIMENT: How about taking the NAVSEA PMS-317 Program Manager for the past 4 years and reassign him FROM WASHINGTON DC. down to PASCAGOULA MISS ? <br /><br />Well, that's what happened a year ago. The CAPTAIN who ran the LPD-17 class program at NAVSEA PMS-317 starting about 4 years ago, (LPD-18, 19, 20, 21) was transferred last year to be CAPTAIN of SUPERVISOR of SHIPBUILDING SUPSHIP located inside the NORTHROP GRUMMAN shipyard in Pascagoula Miss. This is/was probably a "test": could this 4-striper transform the forever confounded LPD SAN ANTONIO class if he were put directly in charge of supervising their construction as SUPERVISOR of SHIPBUILDING GULF COAST ?<br /><br />The answer will very soon be apparent: LPD-22 was launched earlier this year and is fitting out at the piers in Pascagoula Northrop. LPD-23 and LPD-25 are attempting to be completed in New Orleans at Avondale shipyard which also falls directly under the command of SUPSHIP GULF COAST. LPD-24 will soon be launched at the Pascagoula shipyard. <br /><br />so, the ACID TEST: Can the former WASHINGTON DC Actual PMS-317 himself, somehow complete LPD-22, 23, 24, 25 properly ? Can this experienced O-6 NAVY CAPTAIN who actually works inside the Northrop Grumman shipyard along with maybe 400 SUPSHIP employees, really finish LPD Hulls # 6, #7, #8, and #9 properly ? With decent quality ? To heck with timely delivery or cost ! Can they be built with any sort of reasonable quality ? <br /><br /> ALL of NAVSEA is watching this experiment !<br /><br />Recall this is the NAVY CAPTAIN who worked as NAVSEA lead on LPD Hulls #2, #3, #4, and #5. Retired Nownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-41252388724335481682010-10-04T17:20:42.000-04:002010-10-04T17:20:42.000-04:00Because there were too many pigs at the trough? Be...Because there were too many pigs at the trough? Because everyone saw a big fat pie and wanted a slice? Because even the pie had no more slices, the pigs wanted MORE, and the Navy (by way of Congress) said, "Sure!"<br /><br />Don't blame all of it on the Navy. I've seen far too many items I've had to order that were piddling small but stupid expensive and OH MY GOD there's only ONE vendor. Don't strain your brain trying to figure out why that happens.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78213533541671286142010-10-04T16:56:17.000-04:002010-10-04T16:56:17.000-04:00Oh, and no matter how crappy the yard builds a shi...Oh, and no matter how crappy the yard builds a ship, that's on the Navy. No yard does a worse job than you let them do.xbradtcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-43368158422578025562010-10-04T16:52:53.000-04:002010-10-04T16:52:53.000-04:00My first question, when I learned of the LPD-17 pr...My first question, when I learned of the LPD-17 program something like 15 years ago, was "why are we building a gold-plated amphib?"<br /><br />Why not build the follow on LPD class on a development of the LSD-41 class hull? Amphibs used to be dirt cheap to build. I can understand the the LHA/LHD class are somewhat more complex, but why the LPDs?<br /><br />KISS would have been a very good idea here. xbradtcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-79237227726985301032010-10-04T15:11:19.000-04:002010-10-04T15:11:19.000-04:00or promote others to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs ...or promote others to Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.....eh hem......MullenSalty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-62395162501681048592010-10-04T15:10:58.000-04:002010-10-04T15:10:58.000-04:00or how we retain others...eh hem...LaFleur...as co...or how we retain others...eh hem...LaFleur...as consultants.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-40779825303545306312010-10-04T15:10:33.000-04:002010-10-04T15:10:33.000-04:00OR how nobody associated with this ship has FRIED....OR how nobody associated with this ship has FRIED. hell, we even promoted one to ASN(RDA)...eh hem...Stackley.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47799631289996044922010-10-04T15:09:15.000-04:002010-10-04T15:09:15.000-04:00<span>"Keep going up from NAVSEA my fri...<span><em>"Keep going up from NAVSEA my friend; keep going North. Get a SUPSHIPS manning document as ask what changes have been made over the last couple of decades. Look at all the money spent on SES at NAVSEA and what they have done during the last decade. Search "</em></span><a href="http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&q=CNO+Priority&aq=f&aqi=g2g-o1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=84f34ab5383c7ee9" rel="nofollow"><span><em>CNO Priority</em></span></a><span><em>" on google."</em></span><br /><span><em></em></span><br /><span><em>I was listening to C-SPAN this weekend and they had a theoretical physicist taking questions from callers. His largest concern with the implosion of Pax Americana is with the administration: "They are so concerned about re-distributing wealth that they do not think about producing it. Where is the next inventor of the combustion engine? Where is the next creator of lasers? Where is the next Wilbur and Orveille Wright? Probably growing up in Shanghai, and it is our own fault. Instead of growing new wealth, we prioritize shifting around what we have."</em></span><br /><span><em></em></span><br /><span><em>And so it goes for LPD 17. Forget new ships. We are wallowing around in the muck of what we have, and most of it doesn't work. OPNAV N86 has even GOTTEN RID OF THEIR FUTURE SHIPS SECTION. That tells you ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW.</em></span>Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-33695838429967007262010-10-04T14:55:03.000-04:002010-10-04T14:55:03.000-04:00Given the determination to use these ships to serv...Given the determination to use these ships to service the national money hole, it might at least be be amusing to have one built by Bath.<br /><br />Sadly related...<br />http://www.theonion.com/video/in-the-know-should-the-government-stop-dumping-mon,14289/<br /><br /><span><span><span><br /></span></span></span>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-71289699079963784242010-10-04T14:44:29.000-04:002010-10-04T14:44:29.000-04:00<span>"What amazes me is how many defen...<span>"What amazes me is how many defenders this Class has. Yes, I know."</span><br /><span></span><br /><span>Well, is it a problem with the LPD-17 from the get go or is it a problem with Avondale? If you gave it to somebody else (and let them elminiate any really stupid stuff) would it still suck?</span><br /><span></span><br /><span>Like, I wouldn't buy a new Wrangler because if you mention reliability to Jeep lovers they start to giggle. But if the Wrangler was made by somebody else...</span>Spadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73664366482064899722010-10-04T13:00:13.000-04:002010-10-04T13:00:13.000-04:00I am not sure where the term "Over designed&q...I am not sure where the term "Over designed" applied to LPD-17. What the last few days have shown use was that there was no engineering on the LPD-17s. It sounds more like they what my old enginnering instructor call "Farner built."<br /><br />It does not matter how much money is spect design a ship, if the builder don't follow the design. I have heard Avondale has had that build by thumb mentality. They did not even had a good CAD software when they design the LPD-17s in the first place, they used software intended for building aircraft becuase it was cheaper . Given that type of thinking by their designers, is it any surprise that the class was jinks from day one.G Lofnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14291339885652985312010-10-04T11:38:55.000-04:002010-10-04T11:38:55.000-04:00The list of really stupid things done on LPD-17 ar...The list of really stupid things done on LPD-17 are too long to tell in this space, but my favorite was the titanium firemain system...from sea suction to nozzle head, 100% titanium. Wouldn't have stainless steel worked just as well? For a third of the cost? Or the lube oil valves that no one could fix...till a 26 year old machinists leadman asked the tech rep on the New York City, "Has anyone ever taken one of these apart?". Turns out the factory presets were all off. Took 20 minutes to take apart, an hour to figure out the problem, 20 to put it back together and it's working like a champ. Speaking of stupidity and poor workmanship, did they ever get the wireway transits to hold watertight? Or are they still a DC nightmare waiting to happen?Byronnoreply@blogger.com