tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post5509652953115306860..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: T.E. Ricks joins Salamander on JFKCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-65885977256978939522011-07-19T22:27:15.859-04:002011-07-19T22:27:15.859-04:00"<span>We don't serve the nation to..."<span>We don't serve the nation to facilitate lame pickup lines in bars..."</span><br /><br />No, that just happens to be a fairly handy byproduct, and damned useful to those of us who would be considered "rogueishly handsome".UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-35405896687896561322011-07-19T22:24:11.109-04:002011-07-19T22:24:11.109-04:00LT, great analysis. Very thought provoking.LT, great analysis. Very thought provoking.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-85421888268339927052011-07-19T22:22:18.006-04:002011-07-19T22:22:18.006-04:00Since we're talking family legacies, I'll ...Since we're talking family legacies, I'll jump in, because I'm certain--no offense--that I have you all beat. By far. My family has been in the military business since before the Crusades. And in this country's history, we've fought in every single conflict since the war of Independence. I have it documented, I can prove it. But you know what, Jay? It doesn't matter a hill of beans. It wouldn't excuse my conduct if I did something reprehensible, nor would it excuse my future children. Jokin' Joe the Rum Runner was a real sonofabitch. He bankrolled Hitler, and he sent his sons into the military not to fight and die for their country, but to win points in elections. He wanted his sons in politics to insulate the family from the US Attorney Generals office. Guess what? It worked.<br />If you cheapen your service to this nation by using it to score lame points against the likes of Delta Bravo and Byron, then it obviously means as little to you as it probably does the nation. We don't serve the nation to facilitate lame pickup lines in bars or to troll blogs. We serve to support and defend. Period. <br /><br />By your comments, I am not your fellow veteran. You Sir, are an Army/Navy of one.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-24546814558859463402011-07-19T20:47:44.024-04:002011-07-19T20:47:44.024-04:00Jay, if you lived another hundred years, you'd...Jay, if you lived another hundred years, you'd never have me figured out. Now, go away little man that takes cheap shots at ladies.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47522086886797557072011-07-19T20:44:44.166-04:002011-07-19T20:44:44.166-04:00And when she got tired, the rest of us would take ...And when she got tired, the rest of us would take care of what was left...if any :)Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-2113990901282593892011-07-19T19:01:26.958-04:002011-07-19T19:01:26.958-04:00I think that covers it pretty well, DB.I think that covers it pretty well, DB.Casey Tompkinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-10020370399628702062011-07-19T18:35:31.852-04:002011-07-19T18:35:31.852-04:00Nope. The main reason we followed through with Apo...Nope. The main reason we followed through with Apollo is that JFK was dead; it was his "legacy."Casey Tompkinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50638654594159473452011-07-19T18:29:23.578-04:002011-07-19T18:29:23.578-04:00Jay, jay jay.....
Having 3 sons die in the servic...Jay, jay jay.....<br /><br />Having 3 sons die in the service of the country doesn't confer immunity on an entire family in toto and in perpetuity for all future generations for being grasping, <a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1773734/posts" rel="nofollow">traitorous</a> presumptive, self-entitled, self-congratulatory spoiled redistributors of other people's hard-earned wealth, immune to the laws and mores that bind all of us ordinary slobs. That wealth they throw about... they have no clue how hard it is to earn because they all inherited the proceeds from Grandpa Joe's rum running and other petty misdemeanors. <br /><br />A case can be made that 2 of those deaths would not have occurred if the individuals hadn't been following this notion put in their heads from <a href="http://www.aim.org/aim-column/profiles-in-treason-joseph-kennedy-tyler-kent-and-scott-mcclellan/" rel="nofollow">Rum Runner Joe </a>that they had an obligation to be president to fulfill some family destiny or pass some eternal flame along to people whose only "virtue" is they share Kennedy DNA and the ability to win Chicago's cemetery vote every election. It's nice to see Teddy inherited daddy's penchant for extra-curricular negotiations with the enemy.<br /><br />Cut the Camelot crap. Some of us were born after that ended and so our view of history may seem petty to you, but it's just some of us are not biased by all the bulls--- And as a Catholic I am especially incensed by the interminable public scandals that just about every member of that family has caused and the blight they have inflicted on the name of Catholicism, by their own marriage and dating and extramarital behaviors, their horrific and evil voting records and their complete hypocrisy.<br /><br />As for veterans' status conferring the right to have an opinion here, or you'd expect "more" of the fellow veterans..... no, this is not a veteran's only club. Sal has left it open to those of us who care about the military because we have generations of our family who have served, or we have been spouses of, and served in an unpaid capacity in our own rights or in civilian sector jobs. <br /><br />I'd trust Kristen and give her a patriot's label any day over Bradley Manning... who by your standards would have an "expect more status" because he is a veteran.<br /><br />Take your faulty logic elsewhere. (And p.s.... I'm sure you figured me out long ago too. I'm not a complicated puzzle. And I'm utterly shameless. )<br /><br />You prove Sal wrong in one thing.. maybe it's still too early to have an adult conversation about the Kennedys. Maybe in another 40 years....<br /><br />Shame on US? It's the Kennedy family that could use a good dose of shame!DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-30528743389916949152011-07-19T18:21:53.948-04:002011-07-19T18:21:53.948-04:00D'OH! >:o >:o >:o Stupid Non-Missi...D'OH! >:o >:o >:o Stupid Non-Mission Capable Internet!!! That was me.SouthernAPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-57972681022909263582011-07-19T18:21:50.176-04:002011-07-19T18:21:50.176-04:00She doesn't mind. I used that for a reason. ...She doesn't mind. I used that for a reason. Ponder.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-65313194500695559452011-07-19T18:21:20.310-04:002011-07-19T18:21:20.310-04:00<p><span>Jay - yawn.</span>
<...<p><span>Jay - yawn.</span><br /></p><p><span> </span><br /></p><p><span>"Service" for a family? Take a number. That may work with some crowds, but not this one. Most of us have been there done that. No one even made that an issues.</span><br /></p><p><span> </span><br /></p><p><span>If you don't mind, please try to focus on the issue at hand and stop pointing and yelling "squirrel!" </span><br /></p>CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-52448626215898260562011-07-19T18:19:17.200-04:002011-07-19T18:19:17.200-04:00Jay,
Just because your family is well connected o...Jay,<br /><br />Just because your family is well connected or even well bred doesn't mean you are well bred either. I have met plenty of fortunate sons, whom are not as great sticks as thier fathers, as great leaders as their parents, or law-abiding citizens since their family came from a long line law givers. Ditto for being a veteran, just because you served doesn't mean your a person whom can walk on water and exploit your veteran status to dodge a critical eye of your public persona. There are plenty of cases out there in the real world right now where a veteran has commit a crime of some sort, when you get a chance skim the news reports from around the nation using Google news or some other news crawler. It is a shame, but being in the military doesn't make you an upstanding member of society anymore then being a member of the law enforcement branch either.<br /><br />I use to have a copy of an American Hertiage issue from years ago that talked about how the biggest reason the Kennedys were the most overblown family in modern America from a number of reasons that this larger then life blimp kept people from finding and talking about the faults. Such as how JFK wrote a piece praising what both Hitler and Il Duce were doing in nationalizing their economies to turn them around in the Depression, the questions of how the Kennedys made their money during the depression, that except for Joe Jr with whom took to military service as a way to prove himself as not Joe Sr's son the rest of them may have exploited thier family connections to the Government to get into good positions, the well known womazing amongst JFK/RFK/WFK, then there is the cronyism/nepotism which was JFK's White House. However all of that was overblown by the fact that Joe Jr, JFK, RFK where killed. One in war, the other two by an assissan's bullet; so for a large number of folks the question of "what-if" plays in their minds constantly with the Kennedys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-42377841621831380612011-07-19T17:21:33.602-04:002011-07-19T17:21:33.602-04:00Damn...Guest above is me. I'd also expect mor...Damn...Guest above is me. I'd also expect more of fellow Veterans. I dont' know about Kristen's status. Had Byron figured out a long time ago. Shame on you all...Jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-55032005859081398542011-07-19T17:17:43.418-04:002011-07-19T17:17:43.418-04:00Sorry, Sal - been busy. I find it hard to believe...Sorry, Sal - been busy. I find it hard to believe (no wait...I used to find it hard to believe) that you could slam a family who lost three sons killed while in service to their country. If you don't like their politics, or their fortune, well fine. But your pals show (nahhh...just reinforce) their pettiness easily with their comments here. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49426525529115573102011-07-19T13:56:09.355-04:002011-07-19T13:56:09.355-04:00"Be a man, answer the girl's question &qu..."Be a man, answer the girl's question "<br /><br />Sir: she is a lady, not a girl.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-23660649012811975412011-07-19T13:49:56.611-04:002011-07-19T13:49:56.611-04:00Playing copy-cat is not leadership. If it were, p...Playing copy-cat is not leadership. If it were, playing "Simon Says" would be an Olympic Sport.Adirondack Patriotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-82038676332453250652011-07-19T12:40:36.969-04:002011-07-19T12:40:36.969-04:00<span><span>LBJ as President had the...<span><span>LBJ as President had the power to dismiss Kennedy's Ivy League minions. That is one of the puzzling things about LBJ - he hated Kennedy and his team of pencil necks. His goal was to pass the Great Society legislation as his "legacy" and give just enough to the JCS to keep them and the right off his ass. It was an evil balancing act that eventually cost over 58,000 lives. His, McNamara's, Clifford's souls and all the rest of those who allowed this to happen should continue to burn in hell. JFK's mysitque was created by Joe's money, Hollywood, and an adoring press. We are currently experieincing JFK ight, but it is even more damaging than the original. At least Kennedy new that raising taxes reduced demand for legitimate goods in the open market. I'll give him that and his taste in women.</span></span>The Usual Suspectnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-64071054145513486132011-07-19T12:20:45.299-04:002011-07-19T12:20:45.299-04:00Jay, there are a lot of people on this porch whose...Jay, there are a lot of people on this porch whose opinions I respect. If any of them told me that I had gone too far in a comment, I'd take it to heart. You are not one of those people.<br /><br />Byron and CDR, thanks. Much appreciated.<br /><br />DB, no one who is a regular reader here is going to pick on you. :)Kristennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-10965845031030018922011-07-19T00:50:50.363-04:002011-07-19T00:50:50.363-04:00Nah, still Yellow & Tight.
I'll just thro...Nah, still Yellow & Tight.<br /><br />I'll just throw this out here: magic bullet geometry is only magic when you assume that Connoly's and Kennedy's seats were directly aligned fore-and-aft. If, however, one seat is slightly above and outboard of the other, the geometry is a remarkably straight line instead. <br /><br />Also, I can't really understand why people bag on the Carcano rifles so much. The Italians continued using those in the NATO rifle team tournaments for decades after they adopted the Garand (or the BM-59) as their service rifle. The Carcano is no worse a weapon than any other military bolt action of the era.LT Rustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-54814998740318182292011-07-19T00:25:52.539-04:002011-07-19T00:25:52.539-04:00Jay,
Be a man, answer the girl's question .......Jay,<br />Be a man, answer the girl's question .... unless you're drawing a blank. Sleep on it; we'll wait.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-85193724485658238852011-07-18T21:36:56.528-04:002011-07-18T21:36:56.528-04:00No man who would put MacNamara in the Pentagon and...No man who would put MacNamara in the Pentagon and LBJ a heartbeat away from the Oval Office can be considered anything but a disaster.Mike M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46744959189125760172011-07-18T21:28:16.279-04:002011-07-18T21:28:16.279-04:00*coming here to see if hopefully Jay picked on me ...*coming here to see if hopefully Jay picked on me too. Leaving disappointed.*<br /><br /> :'( <br /><br />Sniffle. It would have been so fun to kick back.<br /><br />Maybe Jay carries a torch for the Kennedy men and wishes he could have had an affair with one of them too. Seems when it came to Kennedys there was enough luv for everyone.DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-58211322417583559642011-07-18T21:18:12.308-04:002011-07-18T21:18:12.308-04:00TUS,
Not so sure you are right, nor that you are ...TUS,<br /><br />Not so sure you are right, nor that you are wrong. Kennedy set the stage for LBJ's antics, and was well capable of them on his own. Both were political animals. (Old Joe hated LBJ, and the feeling was mutual.)<br /><br />Kennedy gets an incomplete on Vietnam. But I am not willing to dismiss the possibility of failure on the scale of Johnson's, because as I mention in comments above, it was JFK's team that LBJ was using.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-10178877190616834572011-07-18T20:12:29.675-04:002011-07-18T20:12:29.675-04:00Johnson was magnitudes worse when it came to Vietn...Johnson was magnitudes worse when it came to Vietnam. His actions were purely political and criminal. McMaster nailed it. The book makes you want to tear out your hair. It is filled with FAIL.The Usual Suspectnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-48945976704582404942011-07-18T20:08:53.452-04:002011-07-18T20:08:53.452-04:00<span>From Kaplan's prose: "...the...<span>From Kaplan's prose: "...there's some evidence he wouldn't have plunged across the line so avidly..." <br /> <br />I doubt that in the extreme. The team of "Best and Brightest" that Kennedy assembled because of their academic rather than practical knowledge is the one LBJ inherited. McNamara, Taylor, the Bundy brothers, George Ball, and SecState Rusk, all were principles on LBJ's team that were instrumental in setting US policy in Southeast Asia. <br /> <br />To think Kennedy would not have listened to them, after hand-picking them, while LBJ listened after inheriting them, is wishful thinking at best, and likely some significant speculative revisionism. And to affirm that speculation on the words of Clark Clifford, whose limitations on the use of force in 1968-69 had so seriously impeded the ability of US forces to engage the enemy on our terms, is hardly cementing the argument. <br /> <br />Of course, this is Jay finding something "reasoned", so tread carefully, dear readers.</span>UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.com