tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post5454226802101242752..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Actual Littoral CombatCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-53733575929833017162011-08-08T11:40:49.622-04:002011-08-08T11:40:49.622-04:00hey the Monitors I am familiar with had 105mm howi...hey the Monitors I am familiar with had 105mm howitzwers and 40mm Bofors and were only about 60 ft long ~~leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-71888652903157479092011-08-08T11:36:14.792-04:002011-08-08T11:36:14.792-04:00Rusty and I are working up something to post on th...Rusty and I are working up something to post on this concept. I am calling it PG(L) see WW2 landing ship history for PGM and PCE typesleeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-66500415072504750582011-08-08T11:30:50.202-04:002011-08-08T11:30:50.202-04:00pk, having served on USS Newport, I can state cate...pk, having served on USS Newport, I can state categorically I would NOT use that class as basis for many reasons too many to go into hereleeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-44088554781446549882011-08-08T00:41:06.429-04:002011-08-08T00:41:06.429-04:00Of courses in all my sealift years, I did NOT see ...Of courses in all my sealift years, I did NOT see many MSC convoys escorted including those during DS/S. There were some of course during the Tanker War.leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-11297840850200474562011-08-08T00:38:13.166-04:002011-08-08T00:38:13.166-04:00I did not see ocean escort in the early program br...I did not see ocean escort in the early program briefs (circa 2001), but I have seen naval officers talking about LCS as frigate types. I don't know what the technical (ROC) data says, but sure would assume escorting is part of the LCS "thing"?<br /><br />Please dump the "amphibs as mothership" to small warboasts idea. While gators can and it has happened, the idea has too many negatives to be realistic. They are:<br />- Gator primary mission is troop hauling and landings. Any sailors/boats NOT supporting those functions are EXTRAS which decrease the primary capability<br />- The Gators will NOT always be available for smaller inshore ops with warboats.<br />- Flooding down to launch and recover boats is slow and the amphib is a better target then<br />(Navy needs more davits and modern cranes on Gators)<br />- using old Gators for EXW is an expensive operation converted or not. You think there is that much slack in the SCN? Not I.leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-71994198008658089362011-08-08T00:26:05.931-04:002011-08-08T00:26:05.931-04:00already had them on the listalready had them on the listleeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-12433540930886901012011-08-07T23:03:57.178-04:002011-08-07T23:03:57.178-04:00james: would you rather have a fatter ship that ge...james: would you rather have a fatter ship that gets home after a happenin, or a super fast, stealthy, sexy agile one that doesn't make it even under tow.<br /><br />as i remember montanas were drawn up to go through the panama canal. if you have the oportunity do an engine fire room tour of one of the iowas. when you walk the main deck it seems houmounglas wide. but when you get below "what happened to all of that width. the thing seems to be cramped. yes there is a considerable amount of machinery but it is all smaller so that it can be gotten out of the hatch and moved up and down "broadway" for shop work.<br /><br />oh and yes new jersy got 36 and a froghair kts in trials and missouri did a couple of tenths more. it was attributed to the newer fuel in use at the time.<br /><br />c pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-89309308949166500642011-08-07T19:41:50.040-04:002011-08-07T19:41:50.040-04:00Yes but that adds weight and having a fat wide shi...Yes but that adds weight and having a fat wide ship is a no-no now. It must be super fast! stealthy, sexy agile......what? Oh no we use civilian stuff for our refuling and such thats the future. Tops speed of those ships? I dont know 12-15kts?<br /><br />Look at the plans for the BB montana. NO compromise on design for speed. Also i've heard these could be filled in some cases with fuel to.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-17014115231612188252011-08-07T17:53:55.222-04:002011-08-07T17:53:55.222-04:00Here's a link to latest info on US Coast Guard...Here's a link to latest info on US Coast Guard's National Sec. Cutter #3:<br /><br /><span><span><span><span> <a href="http://www.huntingtoningalls.com/is/employees/centerline/2011/080411A.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.huntingtoningalls.com/is/employees/centerline/2011/080411A.pdf</a></span></span></span></span><br /><br />Almost finished, Evidently Ingalls actually got their quality done right. Nice to hear. Since this is NSC #3.<br /><br />ATTN: USMC, whatever you do, do NOT look at page #2 on this link. You will be looking at USS AMERICA's stern and see (first hand) that it is missing the entire well deck for USMC ship to shore.Retired Nownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-89538411400032327802011-08-07T15:12:00.271-04:002011-08-07T15:12:00.271-04:00never wind up in a place like subic bay.
ahhh com...never wind up in a place like subic bay.<br /><br />ahhh come on.<br /><br />places like that are where most of the troubles get going.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-48682361746581779642011-08-07T15:08:20.100-04:002011-08-07T15:08:20.100-04:00perhaps you might start with the 1170 (maybe 1180&...perhaps you might start with the 1170 (maybe 1180's?) lst's. they were diesel powered had good speed, the diesels were components used in current railroad service, (parts, parts, parts), there was lots of volume for crew and ammunition and electronics and.......<br /><br />and they were built to operate in shallow water. (they had a big ol winch with about a mile of cable on it mounted on the stern with a bower anchor to help get off of bad places [wonder how the current practice of canning the skipper would work out now when they have to use that thing.])<br /><br />lots of other good features you could cut and paste into a new design.<br /><br />there might be autocad silhouttes available somewhere on the net to help rusty.<br /><br />C pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-28640054315258593992011-08-07T14:57:02.587-04:002011-08-07T14:57:02.587-04:00naval architecs went through a lot of midnight oil...naval architecs went through a lot of midnight oil working on "torpedo and mine defences". the best ones, defined by ships that survived a hit, were what we would call double double bottoms or quad bottoms. these bottoms formed tanks and they were filled on an alternate basis with water and air. (the order was a state secret in many of the european countries up to and during WWII.)<br /><br />hull steel is one of the cheapest parts of ship construction so i find it interesting that none of the modern gators seem to have this feature in their construction.<br /><br />C pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-58795925181306981602011-08-07T14:33:39.097-04:002011-08-07T14:33:39.097-04:00what if the sea state is such that they have to &q...what if the sea state is such that they have to "steam to the weather" and there just isn't that much room before going aground?<br /><br />C pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-31049656913349585372011-08-07T14:30:10.126-04:002011-08-07T14:30:10.126-04:00follow the british example, put a 5"54 on it,...follow the british example, put a 5"54 on it, there should be quite a number of those about seeing as how so many ships that had them are gone.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-84273619089255125092011-08-07T13:38:37.876-04:002011-08-07T13:38:37.876-04:00Ah yes but how good is the firefighting capability...Ah yes but how good is the firefighting capability of the LCS. They took out the most basic defense agaisnt rust afterall. Also what about all that fuel? And the aviation fuel. Compartmentalization. etc etcJamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47086478189929263472011-08-07T12:32:25.735-04:002011-08-07T12:32:25.735-04:00yep, and very useful little ships they were...
htt...yep, and very useful little ships they were...<br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_class_corvette<br />under 1000 tons they packed more firepower than LCS today...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-84227762303858428992011-08-07T12:24:52.390-04:002011-08-07T12:24:52.390-04:00Like all ships, it depends on where it hits...if i...Like all ships, it depends on where it hits...if it were me, I'd shoot it just aft of midships, as near to the waterline as I could get. I KNOW there's something juicy there! Next shot would be the popgun on the bow, while my mates take care of whoever is foolish enough to man the .50 cal's. Then it's boarding time!Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-62845979613025776852011-08-07T11:38:34.967-04:002011-08-07T11:38:34.967-04:00So how would a LCS do if hit by a RPG-7?So how would a LCS do if hit by a RPG-7?Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-56305447617443702972011-08-07T11:35:57.210-04:002011-08-07T11:35:57.210-04:00=-O a corvett with a 5in?!
Thats a hardcore litt...=-O a corvett with a 5in?!<br /><br />Thats a hardcore little dude.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-68032594840315680332011-08-06T22:47:42.148-04:002011-08-06T22:47:42.148-04:00Leesea -
Send me an email. crowdsourcewarship@y...Leesea - <br /><br />Send me an email. crowdsourcewarship@yahoo.com I'm a CAD designer.LT Rustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-23115893053204263192011-08-06T12:18:48.608-04:002011-08-06T12:18:48.608-04:00Of courrse they will reply with a dismissive sniff...Of courrse they will reply with a dismissive sniff...and then "infer" how its different now, and you just don't understand.sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-6676430515716506172011-08-06T12:14:44.157-04:002011-08-06T12:14:44.157-04:00A couple of the Swedish twin 120mm mortars would f...A couple of the Swedish twin 120mm mortars would fill the gap nicely if you can't find a way to put a 5" somewhere.<br /><br />Sad if you can't. Even the Flower Class corvetts from WWII were eventually fitted with a 5".CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-43244530440946131092011-08-06T12:12:14.402-04:002011-08-06T12:12:14.402-04:00The pathetic thing (one of them) is that one of th...The pathetic thing (one of them) is that one of the primary missions LCS will be given (as we no longer will have frigates) will be escorting merchants through contested waters. That is a mission you cannot run away from - you have to stand and fight - it doesnt' matter if you have longbowmen or sharks with frigg'n laser beams coming out of their heads.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-68259844203628631392011-08-06T10:28:06.374-04:002011-08-06T10:28:06.374-04:00<span>Running away or making a big wake does...<i><span>Running away or making a big wake does not help your countrymen ashore who need their Navy to support them.</span></i><br /><br />Yet more contradictions int he LCS CONOPS here...<br /><br />Raymond tells us the gouge he gets is that the ship "won't be a knifefighter"<br /><br />Ok...<br /><br />So why all this goofy ballyhoo about the wake if the ship is standing well off and fighting with its robots (which <i><b>may</b></i> exist one day)?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amtblog.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bas_twister.jpg" rel="nofollow">LCS bubbahs trying to explain themselves</a>....sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-72267962860822920522011-08-06T03:40:36.756-04:002011-08-06T03:40:36.756-04:00@ leesea, of course LCS is different kettle of fis...@ leesea, of course LCS is different kettle of fish, so to say... but if we are making a frigate replacement, make it a frigate... see the Salamander class etc.<br />CB-90 or the like could operate from LPD as mothership, I guess.<br />Did I mention this:?<br />http://newwars.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/lcs-alternative-weekly-25/<br />Hulls in the water in naval equivalent of COIN, anyone?ewok40knoreply@blogger.com