tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post4194653770590355369..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: PACOM says "OBTW"CDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-36982653309974213912010-12-30T18:18:19.000-05:002010-12-30T18:18:19.000-05:00just mine the heck of it and add a couple of subs....just mine the heck of it and add a couple of subs...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29799209832301564932010-12-30T16:41:31.000-05:002010-12-30T16:41:31.000-05:00Salty at that speed and with that warhead agaisnt ...Salty at that speed and with that warhead agaisnt modern ships it simply doesnt matter.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-8560485430304756122010-12-30T13:20:27.000-05:002010-12-30T13:20:27.000-05:00if there ever was ship killer , that award goes t...if there ever was ship killer , that award goes to the Long Lance, at Java Sea, Savo, Tassassfaronga... cutting heavy cruiser in half is no mean feat<br />I wonder how would fare the 65cm Soviet one in todays environment...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-79572505323602086792010-12-30T12:36:21.000-05:002010-12-30T12:36:21.000-05:00Like others, I have to wonder about the integrity ...Like others, I have to wonder about the integrity of the targeting scheme.<br /><br />And, the missile idea against ships is really nothing new.<br /><br />As early as 1960, the USN was concerned about Soviet missiles possibly being deployed <a href="http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/photos/intrepid-iv-2.jpg" rel="nofollow">the 6th Fleet CVA assets poised to blow black holes into their southern periphery..</a><br /><br />(count the number of A-3's on those decks)<br /><br />Of course, their solution to targeting was going to be massive megatonnage.<br /><br /><br />And another thought...<br /><br />The only historical really sure fire ship killer (as much as it pains me to say it) is a torpedo. Gunfire, guided missiles, aircraft, all have demonstrated mixed results in any single attack.<br /><br />But as recently as proven by the Cheoan, <a href="http://ussmullinnix.org/USSJonasIngram_Sinkex1.jpg" rel="nofollow">a torpedo nearly always does the trick if you can sucessfully deliver it.</a><br /><br />(that was first boat taking one for the team...congenitally afflicted with an early model 1200 psi plant, she was smokin' black to the end...)sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49608021155371485182010-12-30T10:59:34.000-05:002010-12-30T10:59:34.000-05:00what order of reduction by atmosphere reentry is t...what order of reduction by atmosphere reentry is there? to mach 5-6?ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83790193105070032392010-12-30T10:58:40.000-05:002010-12-30T10:58:40.000-05:00A semi-quote from Red Storm Rising... Officer says...A semi-quote from Red Storm Rising... Officer says to wife over the phone that his ship, the CVN is best protected ship in the fleet. Then he reflects on what she wouldnt want to know: why - because it is the biggest sweetest target enemy has in the fleet.ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-62776272855799196942010-12-30T10:34:11.000-05:002010-12-30T10:34:11.000-05:00I have said this before, I would HATE to be a Tact...I have said this before, I would HATE to be a Tactical Action Officer on a Carrier these days. IF you survived the attack, you would get an invitation to the green table cloth and that is not the worse of it, you would have to live with the fact that you could have done little to prevent the attack that would make your Ship a missile sponge. So many reasons why internally to fix blame but the stragegic overview is out of the TAO hands.. it lies on policy makers.. and Big Navy.,.. who DONT GET IT.MR T's Haircutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-70432309370902710512010-12-30T10:02:15.000-05:002010-12-30T10:02:15.000-05:00I SOOOO have to find the cable to my camera.
I to...I SOOOO have to find the cable to my camera.<br /><br />I took a pic with the exact same aspect as the one off California.<br /><br />But I had a buddy at work verify the aircraft was an AAL headed to Cancun.sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-61264101473611827412010-12-30T09:47:45.000-05:002010-12-30T09:47:45.000-05:00I don't agree w/ all the guest is saying. For...I don't agree w/ all the guest is saying. For one, I disagree w/ the guest's assessment that it was a missile. I believe a contrail. BUT, they are correct in that our ASW skills suck a$$ now and we have let our basic skill sets erode. LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-1578132607044909092010-12-30T09:39:28.000-05:002010-12-30T09:39:28.000-05:00I'm going to stop commenting on this because i...I'm going to stop commenting on this because it is too frustrating to do in an unclassified setting. Having previously done a lot of work in BMD, and this threat in particular, there are a lot of misconceptions here about the threat, the guidance, the capabilities and the limitations of both us and the enemy. That being said, there are a lot of good points that are being made on all sides. The bottom line is this: the threat isn't going away and we better have an affordable plan to deal with it that doesn't involve sacrificing the pacific as one of our great lakes.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-33727187019681416932010-12-30T09:37:14.000-05:002010-12-30T09:37:14.000-05:00negative. terminal velicoity. reentry is not roc...negative. terminal velicoity. reentry is not rocket assisted and therefore subject to terminal velocity!Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-60758816440688735362010-12-29T23:06:53.000-05:002010-12-29T23:06:53.000-05:00with reentry speed of mach 10 or more the effect i...with reentry speed of mach 10 or more the effect is still formidable...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-76673091604396919812010-12-29T22:12:32.000-05:002010-12-29T22:12:32.000-05:00I seem to recall that Sandy wrote something rather...I seem to recall that Sandy wrote something rather odd about the Chinese Navy in <i>Proceedings</i>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-34417391291077409442010-12-29T15:35:27.000-05:002010-12-29T15:35:27.000-05:00Not this crap, again. That myth has been debunked ...Not this crap, again. That myth has been debunked so many times it's not funny any more. If nothing else the simple fact that the "missile plume" was only seen at very specific locations & angles should be a big, fat, honking clue. If it were a genuine missile launch it would have been visible for a hundred miles along the California coast.<br /><br />As for what you choose to believe, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own reality.Casey Tompkinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-3852487090982493722010-12-29T13:59:57.000-05:002010-12-29T13:59:57.000-05:00Please, as it is not a photon, its kinetic energy ...Please, as it is not a photon, its kinetic energy is E=m/2*v^2.hajo-hinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49733597942841068692010-12-29T11:44:13.000-05:002010-12-29T11:44:13.000-05:00I think that in that video clip there is more than...I think that in that video clip there is more than meets the eye! ;)LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-81770693834606902712010-12-29T11:24:28.000-05:002010-12-29T11:24:28.000-05:00To your point, blowing away the missile may just c...To your point, blowing away the missile may just create a terrible shrapnel storm...<br /><br />Point I was trying to make (poorly), is that while there is all kinds of focus on survivability of the carrier, there is next to none on the deck borne aircraft and people.<br /><br />In 1945, there were, "more ships and planes than the enemy has bullets", as Nimitz opined. And in the nuke years, it just didn't matter.<br /><br />But now, when there is likely to only be one carrier in theater with all planes and people to be had in time to make any difference, then its another game entirely.<br /><br />It looks like the Chinese have that figured out...sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-25864227799576703932010-12-29T11:04:38.000-05:002010-12-29T11:04:38.000-05:00The video is from "Transformers: Revenge of t...The video is from "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" - but it makes a point, methinks - one with a ASBM that is important. You don't need a warhead. At those speeds you should use all the available realestate in the "warhead" for guidance and if needed countermeasures/decoys. The E=MC2 nature and the almost vertical nature of the attack would make even a single hit through-and-through a mission kill at least, a sinking probable. Two or three hits with a kinetic only warhead - that would be about it.<br /><br />A serious threat that needs serious answers.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50312276448454622792010-12-29T10:02:48.000-05:002010-12-29T10:02:48.000-05:00I think that the video misses the point. No need t...I think that the video misses the point. No need to destroy the carrier.<br /><br />Just get an airburst close enough, and the ship is mission killed....<br /><br />Indeed, an opponent may well want that to happen, as then you can bet whatever offensive capabilities left will be turned into supporting a monster rescue operation.<br /><br />Gone are the days of <a href="http://home.comcast.net/~ivorjeffreys/fleetm.jpg" rel="nofollow">whole groups of CVE's</a> bringing up new aircraft and crews to <a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_r5fe7xNvu0Y/S7lJ6FIQhgI/AAAAAAAAAp0/TYfTSE4LAWs/s1600/Ticon_Kamkz.jpg" rel="nofollow">easily repaired wooden deck "big" carriers</a>...And the fight against the enemy continuing on.sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-25235160324975505092010-12-29T09:45:26.000-05:002010-12-29T09:45:26.000-05:00Partial concur, some of what you said is inaccurat...Partial concur, some of what you said is inaccurate (can't get into it here), and you don't have to have precise location of where the fleet is when you fire this missile (again, I can't go much further from here).<br />Very familliar with the radar equation. Equally familliar with the capabilities and limitations of our current radars and the variables that play (array size, power, cooling, digital beam forming, etc).Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14903071372595685842010-12-29T04:19:12.000-05:002010-12-29T04:19:12.000-05:00Concur. The missile itself is useless without prec...Concur. The missile itself is useless without precise targeting. Defeat the targeting and you render the missile useless. With that in mind, we're shooting ourselves in the foot by not getting serious again about ASW...my money says the ASW is primarly going to be from a submarine.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-34352275985902757152010-12-29T01:48:07.000-05:002010-12-29T01:48:07.000-05:00SG,
We need to figure out how they are doing the ...SG,<br /><br />We need to figure out how they are doing the targeting. If we can beat the targeting then we can probably beat the DF-21. Just like when we started to beat the fear of the Backfire/Badger and the AS-6 and AS-4 back as we started to figure out how to beat the Bear/Blinder threat that was being combined with the space based sensors.<br />As to the future of radar tech, the problem is how much performance do you need and how much power can your array handle. To really reach out and find some one you need a large array and a powerful enough beam to carry enough data back to the array to provide enough intelligence. There is a <a href="http://www.wiziq.com/tutorial/21624-RadarEquation" rel="nofollow">really complex equiation that explains it all </a>and by tweaking a few of the numbers can lead to what you need to do for the purpose your looking for.Southern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-74594633113573983532010-12-29T01:31:05.000-05:002010-12-29T01:31:05.000-05:00Take off your tin foil hat dude. I can attest to w...Take off your tin foil hat dude. I can attest to working under Skipper Winnefeld when he was the skipper of the Big E, that he never, never, lied to us. Never hid the truth with any of us in the crew.<br /><br />If you don't want to take off your tin foil, then keep up with your failing. The rest of us can just keep face palming as you fail.Southern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78487592911777327522010-12-28T23:57:08.000-05:002010-12-28T23:57:08.000-05:00I would think that China, even now, could shut dow...I would think that China, even now, could shut down the Straits of Malacca, at least for awhile, if they so chose. SCOTTtheBADGERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59888627897914990292010-12-28T23:36:47.000-05:002010-12-28T23:36:47.000-05:00I know the exact answer-but this too will get bett...I know the exact answer-but this too will get better over time. And even if the numbers were greater, you still need a combined arms approach as you suggested earlier.<br /><br />However-think about it. The Chinese don't really need to shoot these weapons, just having them causes us to react. Furthermore, I can only think of one scenario where the Chinese would actively attack a CV. And that;s going to be a nightmare anyway-without this extra added bonus.Skippy-sannoreply@blogger.com