tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post3497924608332367900..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Pirates fail their RECCE quiz ... againCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-64659683081977727452012-01-17T15:36:27.729-05:002012-01-17T15:36:27.729-05:00Circle. Recline. Yawn. Scratch. Close Eyes. ZZZzzz...Circle. Recline. Yawn. Scratch. Close Eyes. ZZZzzzz.Grandpa Bluewaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-81387720284190580482012-01-17T15:23:57.451-05:002012-01-17T15:23:57.451-05:00Not always. We can continue this on the high side...Not always. We can continue this on the high side......Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-65559339860048680922012-01-17T15:23:17.195-05:002012-01-17T15:23:17.195-05:00AOD will now retreat to his corner after being dis...AOD will now retreat to his corner after being dispatched with by the MEGA POWERS: C-Dore 14 and Grandpa Bluewater.<br /><br />Sigh...<br /><br />Every once in a while the young bucks have to get into the rut. And then once bloddied, retreat to their corner of the front porch to lick their wounds...Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-9753452096005251552012-01-17T08:43:50.988-05:002012-01-17T08:43:50.988-05:00Somalia piracy is an estimated $8.3B hit (2010) to...Somalia piracy is an estimated $8.3B hit (2010) to the world ecomomy according to Spiegel Online. We have gone to war for less. We have satellites, UAVs, Intel, and warships ready to go in harms way. This should be a no-brainer.Acquisition Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-16874295122887201332012-01-16T01:14:45.664-05:002012-01-16T01:14:45.664-05:00Here in WI, we LE types shoot to stop. We fire unt...Here in WI, we LE types shoot to stop. We fire until you have stopped being a threat. I carry a HK USP45F loaded with Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints, which should do the job, even on werewolves.SCOTTtheBADGERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-33024772440359815812012-01-16T01:10:44.179-05:002012-01-16T01:10:44.179-05:00Where is the second ENTERPRISE when you need her? ...Where is the second ENTERPRISE when you need her? "Lucky Little Enterprise", a Sloop of War, destroyed 48 pirate vessels in the early 19th century. Since we once had serving at the same time 3 DDs with almost the same name, USS BADGER, USS GEORGE BADGER, and USS CHARLES BADGER, all three of which were at Okinawa, I don't see why we can't have a CVN named ENTERPRISE, and then buy a SKJOLD from the Norskies, name her LITTLE ENTERPRISE, and turn her loose on the pirates. We leased SKJOLD herself for a year to assess her. When we had her, she had a MK75 76mm gun, Harpoons, and machine guns. A group of SKJOLDs, ( LITTLE ENTERPRISE Class?), would cost less than less than probably even one Little Coffin Ship, yet would be more capable, faster, and have the added benefit of being built to warship standards. <br /><br />Pirates are "latroncunae" enemies of all mankind, so by long atanding international custom, you can do what you want with them, when you catch them, but it's always best to do things the right way, and have a trail, because that is one o fthe differences between us then them, we DO have a set of rules that we live by.<br /><br />The low pressrue WHUMP WHUMP WHUMP of helo rotors attract sharks like you wouldn't believe, so while I like the idea of a USN SKJOLD roaring up on a pirate skiff, and letting fly with the MK75, while a transducer mounted on one of the hydrofoil fins plays the sounds of Chinooks into the sea, I guess in the long run we would be making our point better to catch them, try them, and THEN execute them. But , on the other hand, it would provide employment for the impoverished IO Oceanic Whitetip community.SCOTTtheBADGERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59313519511357511322012-01-15T23:50:40.317-05:002012-01-15T23:50:40.317-05:00You guys might be interested in hearing that even ...You guys might be interested in hearing that even during the "Golden Age of Pirates" in the early to mid 1700s, the Royal Navy didn't summarily execute captured pirates. While they certainly killed their share while taking their vessels, they took a good percentage to a local authority or back to England for trial. Granted, most were hanged, "washed" in the Thames, and hung in chains; but a percentage were also sent to prison or exonerated. Richard Zach's book, <span>The Pirate Hunter</span>, is an interesting read on the subject. C-dore 14noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-21094107019383827872012-01-14T23:30:44.480-05:002012-01-14T23:30:44.480-05:00By international law, in the form of a treaty rati...By international law, in the form of a treaty ratified by the Congress and signed by the President, piracy is crime on the high seas. Not guerilla warfare, or warfare at all. The Constitution requires Congress to maintain a Navy for various tasks specified, including the suppression of piracy.<br /><br />Pirates are dealt with under the laws of the nation state of the vessel which encounters them. Russian rights?<br />Mmm, kya good bye.<br /><br />All naval officers are responsible preserve and document evidence for offenses against miliary law, maritime law and situations when civilians under martial law. It is one of the purposes of the ship's Deck and Engineering logs.<br /><br />Under international law, mariners in distress MUST be aided. If getting pirates to throw down their arms and surrender, fine. If pirates want to fight to the death, fine.<br /><br />So quick and dirty, the facts are not what you presume. A JAG or Admiralty experience lawyer can supply the chapter and verse, so over to the pros from Dover on that.<br /><br />Engaging insurgents on land? Pirates are on the sea. Different chapter, different rule book.<br /><br />No need to be bloodthirsty. Just police 'em up.Grandpa Bluewaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-48944856695901849782012-01-14T18:54:02.730-05:002012-01-14T18:54:02.730-05:00If these men are strictly criminals, then why did ...If these men are strictly criminals, then why did we send a destroyer to conduct naval gunfire along the somali coast? Wouldn't that be a violation of due process?Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-63303633633974888342012-01-14T18:52:21.682-05:002012-01-14T18:52:21.682-05:00Um, I posted my own thoughts on Facebook before Re...Um, I posted my own thoughts on Facebook before Rep West's office released his thoughts.<br /><br />So no, original thoughts, I'll keep my own credit thank you very much.Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-53644200710404530642012-01-14T18:50:34.956-05:002012-01-14T18:50:34.956-05:00Grandpa Bluewater: Sir, piracy is not a crime, an...Grandpa Bluewater: Sir, piracy is not a crime, and we are not law enforcement officers. We do not collect evidence. Piracy is a scourge and its unlawful combatants are eligible for summary execution under existing international laws and conventions. It is not a crime, and its perps have no right to counsel or due process.<br /><br />You mean to tell me that these men have more rights than an American citizen accused of being affiliated--or desiring to be affiliated--with al Qaeda?Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-36721096826115917952012-01-14T12:54:04.991-05:002012-01-14T12:54:04.991-05:00aaaaah but the milage we could get on the theme: I...aaaaah but the milage we could get on the theme: If the iranians are such big bad military types why can't they rescue their fishermen that are in trouble or suppress pirates off of their coasts.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-81933391252481113372012-01-14T11:37:35.185-05:002012-01-14T11:37:35.185-05:00repairing government, one branch at a time? not ba...repairing government, one branch at a time? not bad idea, not bad at all...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-41818378837418796762012-01-14T11:27:19.985-05:002012-01-14T11:27:19.985-05:00Discipline and professionalism is more important t...Discipline and professionalism is more important than plinking raggety drawered pirates after they have thrown down their weapons and thrown up their hands.<br /><br />The judiciary are in a seperate coequal branch of the government and beyond the control of folks who work in the executive branch (to wit: the Navy).<br /><br />Yes, they often are suboptimal. When the Navy attains perfection and then (somewhat later) so does the Marine Corps and Coast Guard, there still is the Army and the (shudder) Air Force to remediate. <br /><br />The judiciary is a swamp too far - in this life at least. Grandpa Bluewaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-82094815205873438632012-01-14T10:26:40.093-05:002012-01-14T10:26:40.093-05:00I think you guys missed my point,
This administr...I think you guys missed my point, <br /><br />This administration doesn't have the cajones to effectively deal with the pirates. I think if the pirates knew thier activities had deadly consequences they might seek other forms of employment.<br /><br />BTW if you are going to quote Rep. West, give the man credit.Redeye80noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-34788884732917127602012-01-14T10:16:00.240-05:002012-01-14T10:16:00.240-05:00Bad thing is, courts in the US dont tend to hang a...Bad thing is, courts in the US dont tend to hang anyone but most brutal killers - and contrary to popular image, pirates don't kill a lot of people... bad for business, you know. If merchant crews were likely to die they would stop surrendering or, perish the thought, arm themselves and start shooting back. And EU courts are without death penalty at all. And I would prefer US or European prison over living in the streets of Mogadishu, anyday. You know ,matter of life expectancy.ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-74562921760836880342012-01-14T08:53:59.724-05:002012-01-14T08:53:59.724-05:00Pirates are criminals. If they resist deadly force...Pirates are criminals. If they resist deadly force is authorized. Should they clearly surrender, they are to be taken prisoner and delivered to a court for trial as specified by law and regulations. Naval personnel are bound by oath to obey all lawful orders and to issue no unlawful ones.<br /><br />Investigate and apprehend. Preserve and document evidence of the crime. Provide a speedy trial. Punish if convicted.<br /><br />It's a Navy. Not a lynch mob or a vigilence commitee.<br /><br />Provide a fair trial, then hang the guilty bastards. Perform all steps in the order specified.Grandpa Bluewaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-30546942049640683112012-01-14T08:31:59.519-05:002012-01-14T08:31:59.519-05:00No, I'm not kidding. Do you think that the Ch...No, I'm not kidding. Do you think that the Chinese are repatriating pirates to Somalia? How about the Russians? In case anyone is wondering, there is a great couple of videos of Russian sailors obliterating pirate boats.<br /><br />As for the Marines pissing on dead Taliban corpses, WTF-ever. Discipline issue. But instead, our puss-in-chief and Leon the Hatchet along with Secretary Clinton are going to embark on an America Sucks Apology World Tour. Where was the outrage when Nicholas Berg and Daniel Pearl were beheaded? Where was the outrage when 101st Airborne members were drawn and quartered? Where was the outrage when Afghan girls were douched with acid for wanting to go to school? Where was the outrage a week ago when 80 Iraqis were killed in simultaneous car bombings?Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-26144110124025421672012-01-13T21:41:20.427-05:002012-01-13T21:41:20.427-05:00You are kidding right??
Right now four Marines in...You are kidding right??<br /><br />Right now four Marines in the eye of a sh$t storm for pi$$ing on some dead Tallies and you think we can get away with turning a boat load of dumb a$$ recreational, sight seeing, pirates into pink mist.<br /><br />Welcome to the pussification of this great nation. The Main Occupier of the White House would never allow it.Redeye80noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-88202379680999605372012-01-13T21:36:35.155-05:002012-01-13T21:36:35.155-05:00Q-ships. They work 4.0 for this sort of thing.Q-ships. They work 4.0 for this sort of thing.Mike M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73970806917923974682012-01-13T20:36:07.743-05:002012-01-13T20:36:07.743-05:00Still don't understand why we don't just s...Still don't understand why we don't just summarily execute pirates.Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-56109533682677610502012-01-13T20:34:26.970-05:002012-01-13T20:34:26.970-05:00Bird is the word.Bird is the word.Adversus Omnes Dissidentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-2127323773748804492012-01-13T13:05:09.715-05:002012-01-13T13:05:09.715-05:00I don't know..."neutralized" is a pe...I don't know..."neutralized" is a perfectly good euphemism. A few years back my son in law was decorated for an incident in which his Marines "neutralized" a group of Iraqis who attacked their convoy. According to him none of the "neutralized" walked away from the encounter. C-dore 14noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-31044997997583535782012-01-13T08:29:54.263-05:002012-01-13T08:29:54.263-05:00The Bird says NO....The Bird says NO....MR T's Haircutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-60649159278605506282012-01-13T08:29:43.085-05:002012-01-13T08:29:43.085-05:00hmm, me thinks i see a tactic procedure here, ala ...hmm, me thinks i see a tactic procedure here, ala the German Raiders of WW2... send int he dteroit and the Arctic loaded with Seals.. a nice big juicy trojan boatMR T's Haircutnoreply@blogger.com