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I did allude to Nanking and Manila above. ...Pawel,<br /><br />I did allude to Nanking and Manila above. And you are quite correct about Japanese willingess to own up to what their armies did.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-12567022990362053082010-03-03T19:03:22.000-05:002010-03-03T19:03:22.000-05:00hajo,
I agree with your last assertion. But inje...hajo,<br /><br />I agree with your last assertion. But injected into any empirical arguments of right and wrong must be the understanding that 1945 in Germany is how the Russians make war. It has been so, as I mention above, since before Tamerlane and before the Tatar horsemen. <br /><br />I sat in a war game recently where the premise was that a Russian ally had massacred 17,000 ethnic minorities, and the Russians believed the act both a terrible crime and a public image disaster. I immediately asked "Why?", and pointed out that such had never been before, even on scales tenfold or more. Eventually, the only answer was because that was the way the scenario was written. Our State Dept rep agreed wholeheartedly that we had projected US values onto the Russians for the purpose of the exercise.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-48154364124179190672010-03-03T16:25:30.000-05:002010-03-03T16:25:30.000-05:00Surefoot - go back and read MTH's comment agai...Surefoot - go back and read MTH's comment again. You need to be more careful before you respond. He is not saying that anyone deserves this treatment. He is not saying it is justified. He is making the point that this is why you maintain "A standing and capable Army"....so that it can never happen to you.<br /><br />Every war is the same in that you don't want to lose. Period.BostonMaggienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83913387092890657762010-03-03T15:21:16.000-05:002010-03-03T15:21:16.000-05:00URR, as I said in the beginning: I was writing on ...URR, as I said in the beginning: I was writing on a certain policy not on somekind of overall moral equivalence. In discussions on deeds at war time the focus it to soon lost on individuals (victims or otherwise) and righteousness of a certain order and to soon shifted to the national level.<br /><br />In addition, nations and individuals can usually only be compared in metaphors, but both can be right and wrong at the same time. In both ways, generally right and wrong in detail, as generally wrong and right in detail.hajo-hinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-69482325969025318532010-03-03T13:06:59.000-05:002010-03-03T13:06:59.000-05:00First: Having a detail in common does not mean ove...First: Having a detail in common does not mean overall equivalence.<br /><br />But then, URR, you are in partial self-denial. American fighter bombers did straf civilians in the end of the war. The planes in these examples are P-38 Lightnings, a plane not to be mistaken and definitily American. One case is killing a churchgoer, a thouroughbred catholic, no Nazi party member, who crossed the street on a weekend (do not know anymore if it was for the Saturday afternoon prayer or on a Sunday afternoon after the mess) dressed up in an all civil coat and hat. Another case is shooting inside houses through the windows when there is any movement inside.<br /><br />I have not got these stories from any websites, but from very close relatives and long-time neighbours who told direct experience. I did not ask for them, I was told these stories very spontaneously and aroused (triggered by a model of a P-38), and thus I believe they are true.<br /><br />For an independent source, Chuck Yeager mentions respective orders and the doubts of the pilots about them in his autobiography.<br /><br />My grandparents remebered the wind gusts, blowing the hat of their friend across the T-junction close to their house, a place where I often played as a child.hajo-hinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73899918308400801482010-03-03T11:59:59.000-05:002010-03-03T11:59:59.000-05:00Well, it was common deal in medieval times that ci...Well, it was common deal in medieval times that city that surrendered quickly was spared any looting. So it was a good/bad cop strategy at it's basic. Regarding Russia - it has barely moved out of feudalism anyway back then (Tsars granted personal freedom to peasants in 1860s, and were absolute in their power until the very revolution of 1917).ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-62634699856052525322010-03-03T11:58:55.000-05:002010-03-03T11:58:55.000-05:00<span>Andrew ..t happened in Bosnia in the l...<span>Andrew ..t happened in Bosnia in the late 1990's. It is happening in Darfur now... it is the ultimate result of losing a war against a savage. Has nothing to do with a mideaval army.. <br /> <br />Surefoot, I didnt say I condone it.. where did I infer that? My point is maintain a military capable of preventing it even now in our "civilized" advance society... it could all be over in a blink and our women and children will pay the price if we fail. That is reality. I would call you SUREFOOT IN MOUTH....</span>MR T's Haircutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-28126601741678887072010-03-03T11:24:27.000-05:002010-03-03T11:24:27.000-05:00MTH - I agree with you. This is what happens when...MTH - I agree with you. This is what happens when a mideaval army takes a city - the Red Army wasn't that much different, just a few hundred years off.Andrewdbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-70254680652380715082010-03-03T11:01:12.000-05:002010-03-03T11:01:12.000-05:00Well, I might make you confused. I feel the mass a...Well, I might make you confused. I feel the mass air raids on Axis cities were unavoidable, and considerably useful to overall war effort, but that doesnt diminish their inhumanity and cruelty. ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-71727478532231362412010-03-03T10:31:10.000-05:002010-03-03T10:31:10.000-05:00Ewok, your earlier post gives one the impression t...Ewok, your earlier post gives one the impression that you do have a problem. Further, your lecture on German science projects is picking at nits. Only in the last 10 years has PGM technology matured to the point where it is now contained in the majority of US air launced munitions. Regardless, the mass raids were intended to destroy cities and the infrastructure they contained.GBSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-55962226896838834632010-03-03T10:11:34.000-05:002010-03-03T10:11:34.000-05:00Aphroditie, and the Bats launched by my beloved PB...Aphroditie, and the Bats launched by my beloved PB4Y-2s were guided. Joe Kennedy Jr. was the guidance system on one Aphroditie.SCOTTtheBADGERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47350614408505111832010-03-03T10:02:11.000-05:002010-03-03T10:02:11.000-05:00SF,
Don't be such a clueless, uneducated a55. ...SF,<br />Don't be such a clueless, uneducated a55. I come from the Mississippi plantation class (and as family historian for two lines have family Bibles dating back to the 1930s) who lost most of their man, and almost all their wealth during the US Civil War - and the one thing we do not hold against the Union Army is their behavior towards women and children. Sure, they burned down the towns, barns, businesses, took all your cattle and horses and anything of value - but one thing they did not do was violate the physical safety and honor of women and children.<br /><br />Get your moral relativist self back to the classroom. This is the one area, of few, where I will defend the actions of the Union Army towards civilians. <br /><br />-2.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-72673984300903851902010-03-03T08:12:37.000-05:002010-03-03T08:12:37.000-05:00Excellent riposte, Comrade!
/snark offExcellent riposte, Comrade!<br /><br />/snark offByronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-43581354753822345142010-03-03T07:43:16.000-05:002010-03-03T07:43:16.000-05:00I have yet to read about Union airplanes intention...I have yet to read about Union airplanes intentionally strafing and bombing columns of refugees in the snow, or of Federal leaders instilling a doctrine of revenge to be taken out on the Southern population. <br /><br />You might want to refrain from the "we do it too" when it comes to the Eurasian way of war. What happened in Germany in 1945 was partially fuelled by Nazi crimes in the Soviet Union, but also was a continuation of how wars have been fought in that region of the world since before Tamerlane. The stories of the Red troops in the 1919-21 Civil War are just as sickening.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-23443823185023991182010-03-03T07:38:31.000-05:002010-03-03T07:38:31.000-05:00ewok,
I bought and read mine as soon as it was re...ewok,<br /><br />I bought and read mine as soon as it was released, but had to run to the bookshelf to look at the copyright date. Sure enough, it was twenty years ago!UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-76691200567940846222010-03-03T02:26:25.000-05:002010-03-03T02:26:25.000-05:00As for the Japanese , why someone didn't menti...As for the Japanese , why someone didn't mention Nanking Rape yet? And yes, Japanese were much more unwilling to admit their crimes of the past.ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-79241480520050756522010-03-03T02:23:17.000-05:002010-03-03T02:23:17.000-05:00Went out to read it as soon as it was released her...Went out to read it as soon as it was released here after 1989 :) <br />Would be good to make that into movie the way the first two were done...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-71674458590646558032010-03-03T02:21:54.000-05:002010-03-03T02:21:54.000-05:00Well, at a point US supported KR in a small reveng...Well, at a point US supported KR in a small revenge against Vietnam, one of little dirty secrets of the Cold War...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73172327019197538442010-03-03T02:17:55.000-05:002010-03-03T02:17:55.000-05:00First PGMs debuted in WW2 actually - see HS-293, F...First PGMs debuted in WW2 actually - see HS-293, Fritz-X and Azon/Razon. And even conventional ordnance could be delivered in very precise way with right tactics as Mosquito crews showed in operation Jericho... Anyway I do not condemn the 1000 bomber raids, desperate times needed desperate measures...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-3935724473504646522010-03-02T23:53:59.000-05:002010-03-02T23:53:59.000-05:00In addition to <span>The Last Battle</spa...In addition to <span>The Last Battle</span>, Richard Overy's <span>Russia's War</span> and <span>The Dictators</span> provide some good information on these events and the motivations behind them. I think C-14 is very right that revenge was Soviet policy; the war in the East was savage and turnabout was considered fair play. The inherently brutal nature of both the communist and fascist regimes and their own indifference to the lives of their own individual citizens were no doubt a factor in all of this too.<br /><br />To DB's question about Sherman, I've always understood the policy was to destroy property to reduce the South's civilian population to subsistence levels, leaving them unable to support the Confederate war effort, not to systematically kill or rape the population. Although there was probably some violence against civilians, it was not part of a policy and I don't believe widespread; times were somewhat different. Anthony Mirvishnoreply@blogger.com