tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post3199708379813213995..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: VADM Burke & McCoy, thank youCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-15439571582567173032011-07-16T13:34:09.376-04:002011-07-16T13:34:09.376-04:00<span>So what do those(except Sid) think?<...<i><span>So what do those(except Sid) think?</span></i><br /><br />Fisrt off...<br /><br />Quit trying to slather lame verbal lipstick like "sub-optimal" on this pig of a program.<br /><br />The need for new ships does not mean that the USN should continue to build ships that will turn into outright battle losing death traps in a real war at sea. Given the numbers the USN is foolishly saying they need, they will be very quickly miscast in battle.<br /><br />And when that happens...<a href="http://ahoy.tk-jk.net/ImagesSep9_2007/JamesDixon/BattleCruiserInvincibleSunkJutland.jpg" rel="nofollow">Its always ugly</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h50000/h50346.jpg" rel="nofollow">Every time.</a><br /><br />Even you say they are not "warships."<br /><br />Ironically, I missed your countersnark because I have been busy helping to put together a fairly major RFP for Day Job...<br /><br />Mindful of your right lame "sub-optimal"...I drove home the point that <b>WE</b> are in charge of product definition, and that we shouldn't just accept some weak crap these vendors want to peddle us, with the hopes that we can make it all "optimal."<br /><br />So. Thanks for the inspiration lee!sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-72612135423788758662011-07-16T12:08:13.251-04:002011-07-16T12:08:13.251-04:00Problem is that the USN has largely lost its sense...Problem is that the USN has largely lost its sense of identity...Just look at its ships...and the contorted machinations in the naming of them.<br /><br />Here are a couple of names to follow in the tradition of naming ships after mid-sized as_holes, like Murtha and Chavez...<br /><br />USS John Dillinger<br /><br /><a href="http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/gangsters_outlaws/outlaws/dillinger/1.html" rel="nofollow">Iconic, popular figure who helped out the poor</a>... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dillinger" rel="nofollow">and Navy Veteran (although he didn't like it much). <br /></a><br /><br />USS Larry Flynt<br /><br />C'mon now..<a href="http://wizbangpop.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Larry-Flynt-001.jpg" rel="nofollow">We all know the majority of folks here wish they could've had what he has had over the years.</a> So that makes him iconic and widely admired....An apparent ship naming convention. Navy connection?...<a href="http://www.reposter.net/images/content/Larry-Flynt-USS-Enterprise-1963-thumb.jpg" rel="nofollow">He once related that he had an epiphany about his life's work while on liberty in San Juan.</a>sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73915694265862986262011-07-16T09:59:40.735-04:002011-07-16T09:59:40.735-04:00URR, which is the Vegetable?URR, which is the Vegetable?MR T's Haircutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-67862936409309297182011-07-16T09:59:36.219-04:002011-07-16T09:59:36.219-04:00I am pretty sure one of the ENUMERATED powers of t...I am pretty sure one of the ENUMERATED powers of the Congress, is too build a FREAKING NAVY!<br /><br />So do it! AND MAINTAIN IT!<br /><br />I PITY THE FOOLSMR T's Haircutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-52055635747676307792011-07-16T07:41:26.290-04:002011-07-16T07:41:26.290-04:00LCS-9 was just "named".
She will be the...LCS-9 was just "named".<br /><br />She will be the future USS LITTLE ROCK.<br /><br />To be built up in Wisconsin at that Italian owned shipyard.Retired Nownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46082461428019375452011-07-16T06:44:00.309-04:002011-07-16T06:44:00.309-04:00USS MURTHA, LPD-26.
Isn't MURTHA the name o...USS MURTHA, LPD-26.<br /><br />Isn't MURTHA the name of a large sized city somewhere ?<br /><br />"large sized city" = like San Antonio , New Orleans .<br /><br />Oop's.. Or perhaps small city like USS GREEN BAY, LPD-20 ?<br /><br />Oop's... Or perhaps a place .... Like USS MESA VERDE LPD-19 ?<br /><br />Or maybe MURTHA is a large state, like... USS NEW YORK LPD-21 ?<br /><br />Or maybe the SecNav uses a full time GS-14 to name ships in a class ? It really IS very difficult you know.Retired Nownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-17146459616045817072011-07-15T13:14:52.846-04:002011-07-15T13:14:52.846-04:00More of the same top leadership headed our way!More of the same top leadership headed our way!Stunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83764658971957853002011-07-15T10:00:57.464-04:002011-07-15T10:00:57.464-04:00"LCS wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes at Sa..."LCS wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes at Samar."<br /><br />LCS wouldn't last 5 minutes off <strong>San Diego</strong>Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-56161094874366852662011-07-15T08:53:39.552-04:002011-07-15T08:53:39.552-04:00Senbior Chief,
Mullen and Roughead have worked di...Senbior Chief,<br /><br /><a href="http://gay.americablog.com/2010/12/joint-chiefs-chair-admiral-mullen-dadt.html" rel="nofollow">Mullen</a> and <a href="http://www.hometownannapolis.com/news/SCH/2009/04/25-03/Navy-s-top-officer-lists-diversity-No-1-priority.html" rel="nofollow">Roughead</a> have worked diligently to curry political favor, so that they are not held <a href="http://blog.usni.org/2011/07/12/navy-on-sexual-assault-serious-or-posturing" rel="nofollow">accountable</a> for <a href="http://www.navytimes.com/community/opinion/navy_opinion_letters_051908/" rel="nofollow">anything</a>. <br /><br />They have become actors in costume, not Officers in uniform. They may as well be in a production of HMS Pinafore.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-86422035861244114722011-07-15T08:32:36.947-04:002011-07-15T08:32:36.947-04:00I don't think anybody would argue w/ you Senio...I don't think anybody would argue w/ you Senior. Most of us that frequent the porch, are less than sanguine w/ the senior "leadership," their social engineering, their failure to see the obvious, etc. I would love for Congress to look at them and say, "Dear God man, put some clothes on, you're naked!" They have definitely shown their a$$ w/ their "Diversity is my main goal," diversion. LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49611209122475997112011-07-15T08:21:27.986-04:002011-07-15T08:21:27.986-04:00I'm of the opinion that Mullen and Roughead sh...I'm of the opinion that Mullen and Roughead should have had their asses in the hotseat, not McCoy and Burke to answer for this fiasco.YNCS(SS/SW)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-72264748311499249062011-07-15T07:19:30.576-04:002011-07-15T07:19:30.576-04:00There's the rub, Lee. If the Navy had any dam...There's the rub, Lee. If the Navy had any damned sense, they would have put something in motion. This train wreck is predictable. It was obvious to those on the front porch and you KNOW Washington looks at the porch wishing they had a means to take the porch down. You KNOW they have heard us. So, 7 yrs? Hell, we SHOULD be at least 2 years into that solution. Additionally, we used to turn and burn on manufaturing. Conceivably, we could do so again, if we could keep the perfumed princes at bay. There are designs out there that are working. They could use one of them, tweak it and move on. Stop gap, they could SLEP the Figs, but they should be planning/doing something RIGHT the F##K NOW!LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-25788345235118346032011-07-15T07:13:31.340-04:002011-07-15T07:13:31.340-04:00Minimal manning, poor training, reliance on comput...Minimal manning, poor training, reliance on computer based training vice hands on training, lack of system knowledge for Sailors, misaligned money/resources (travel training time) to social engineering (women gays race quotas) rather than treating all Sailors as Sailors. Huge amounts of money thrown on a ship w/o a mission rather than buying ships for the missions, the good idea fairy along w/ the bean counters came up with what they thought was a cool design. Bot designs are welded to the pier. That will get you started.LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59399394702423699742011-07-15T06:18:47.776-04:002011-07-15T06:18:47.776-04:00Problem appreciation is nothing. When they come u...Problem appreciation is nothing. When they come up with a tenable solution set that won't make the problem worse, I will express my thanks. Because right now, within the building, their solution sets will make things exponentially worse.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-33717717227091715222011-07-15T00:36:23.045-04:002011-07-15T00:36:23.045-04:00ok lets walk this down the path. Let's assume...ok lets walk this down the path. Let's assume the johnny come lately Senators catch up SECNAV is something so wrong, and that they get their wishes and program is defunded? Then what?<br /><br />It will take NAVSEA another 5 years or so to get another warship design into service at best~ Meaning an LCS resolicit like Duncan Hunter wants (for NASSCO). Or maybe using an exisiting design. But 7 years is the average anyway.<br /><br />In the meantime the Perrys are not going to be improved (upgrades not programmed etc, and will be streched out in service with their material condition going further south.<br /><br />So where does that "kill off the LCS" get the US Navy - deeper in the hole. All the while the PLAN is buidling up its surface ships for a Pacific takeover. And oh BTW if the DDG-1000 is cut due to up coming budget reductions, that means the USN only has some cruisers and lots of Burkes getting older for our fleet.<br /><br />LCS are now sub-optimal platforms, but they probalby can be improved and at least they will be new ships in service. So what do those(except Sid) think?leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-16446752122576936522011-07-14T22:18:00.066-04:002011-07-14T22:18:00.066-04:00To be fair, Byron, Samar was littoral combat. And...To be fair, Byron, Samar was littoral combat. And if it is one thing the Navy tells us the Littoral Combat Ship is NOT built for, it's combat in the littorals.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83362776908373665142011-07-14T21:52:32.369-04:002011-07-14T21:52:32.369-04:00Speaking of fellating Congress, an even more conte...Speaking of fellating Congress, an even more contemptuous recent example was the naming of LPD-26. Be our buddy in Congress (ask softball questions to issues like LCS, surface ship readiness, etc.) and we even might name a ship after you some day.Steel Citynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-54785143774842489502011-07-14T21:41:37.731-04:002011-07-14T21:41:37.731-04:00Fads du jour....stupid autocorrect spelling!Fads du jour....stupid autocorrect spelling!Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47257979561009923742011-07-14T21:40:47.939-04:002011-07-14T21:40:47.939-04:00For those of us who have been out of the Navy for ...For those of us who have been out of the Navy for awhile and are not as plugged in as some of the folks here are, can someone summarize some of the fads du journey the the surface navy has gone through that have contributed to this problem?<br /><br />Thanks,<br /><br />Sean<br /><br />(my experience is more in the line of translating the latest quality/lean fad into stuff I learned twenty years ago...the amusing part is when I try to think of how many different slogans have been invented to say the same things....)Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-23399659311569041642011-07-14T21:39:56.343-04:002011-07-14T21:39:56.343-04:00<span>"Improvements must and will be ma...<span>"Improvements must and will be made" and "</span><span>One XO was heard to say: these ships are NOT like other warships, they are not meant to go into combat like during WW2..".</span><br /><br />Cosmetic improvement will be attempted, but the XO had it right, and that is the problem.<br /><br />Since the before the Quasi-war with France, the USN won and kept respect by designing and building ships meant to go into combat and successfully fight above their weight. Those ships were manned, kept ready, and fought by men who wouldn't have it any other way in numbers necessary to get the job done.<br /><br />The LCS in not like other warships because it is in no way a warship, but a pathetic and unsatisfactory attempt to substitute something far less.<br /><br />What needs to be done is simple. <br /><br />LCS delende est. As well as all the damnfool nonsense that led to this fiasco.<br /><br />That will be the improvement the situation requires.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-89911063905692726702011-07-14T21:02:11.474-04:002011-07-14T21:02:11.474-04:00Yea verily and amen.
Practice daily with the guns...Yea verily and amen.<br /><br />Practice daily with the guns (or whatever you have to shoot), some of then if not all.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78891606713940745362011-07-14T20:53:15.036-04:002011-07-14T20:53:15.036-04:00Hell, I know some bulls here that will give them t...Hell, I know some bulls here that will give them the horns if they VADMs won't. I might even say that the game the Navy played to fellate Congress for money (diversity/DADT/etc) has cost us our readiness, along w/ a lust for new and "revolutionary" technologies to fulfill FITREP bullets. Then I would point out the happy talk and lack of honesty coming from the head shed and see how that went over. :) But, hey, I like battleships, so we KNOW I'm not "transformational."LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-10124531771756326522011-07-14T20:34:04.096-04:002011-07-14T20:34:04.096-04:00Above their paygrade?!!!
YGBSM.Above their paygrade?!!!<br /><br />YGBSM.Stunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14657532859927481962011-07-14T19:50:07.773-04:002011-07-14T19:50:07.773-04:00"I'll take his word over yours."
Ga..."I'll take his word over yours."<br /><br />Galrahn, the absolute worst thing you could have done was get a ride on Freedom from Marinnete to where ever...you were captured by the process instead of becoming a dispassionate observer.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-42253090788781771622011-07-14T18:16:32.189-04:002011-07-14T18:16:32.189-04:00Raising the profile. Raising the profile and hold...Raising the profile. Raising the profile and holding people accoutable to the taxpayer. <br /><br />Do you think the Navy is better served by everyone being quiet? How is that working for us? BTW - this answer is BELOW SECDEF & CJCS's paygrade. This is actually fair warning to the CNO to get his facts and story straight. I would much rather have two VADM doing this than the CNO. <br /><br />The new CNO now has been put on notice that he needs to be prepared. Looks to me like a win-win. Also - if these two VADM can't/shouldn't answer such questions - then they should be replaced with a Bull CAPT who will.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.com