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Some idiot E-8 desk jockey with ZERO sea time tried to tell us that ships supply holds will go away from the carriers. When asked how we would get parts fixed for our planes he said carrier supply would be like Wal Mart....Restocked at night. And we would have our RFI boxes and consumables within 2 hours. When I asked how could I could a part repaired when the jet went down on a launch, he said they would be fixed on the spot. I guess he's never heard of CASS.......<br /><br />I'm no math major but things just didn't add up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-2536088378232046552011-08-17T11:45:30.992-04:002011-08-17T11:45:30.992-04:00This is the United States of America. A corporati...This is the United States of America. A corporation has the same rights as an individual, except a corporation can't vote in an election. But it can contribute campaign money. With great power comes great responsibility, Peter Parker. As Americans, we assume that responsibility. Whether Congress should know better than to listen to your corporate drivel or not is immateriel. There is a moral imperative to both the Congressman AND TO THE CORPORATION to do the right thing. Simply being a corporation doesn't provide you protection from sucking. That's like the Congress saying "we passed this shitty bill but didn't actually expect the President to sign it! I mean, come on! That's why we have separation of powers!" Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-23730547696226444442011-08-16T17:51:23.388-04:002011-08-16T17:51:23.388-04:00Ahh wait a minute. The MPS ship have cargo loads ...Ahh wait a minute. The MPS ship have cargo loads that remain intact for up to five years. That gear is maintained by MCMC contractors who live onboard and keep the gear ready to be used when discharged. Obviously the preparation of cargo for storage (Army term COSIS) and the type of maitenance actions done onboard vary with type of gear. Vehicles need more that MREs etcleeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-11582685904584044932011-08-16T17:46:35.960-04:002011-08-16T17:46:35.960-04:00Yes SG that about sums it up.
BTW let me add, it ...Yes SG that about sums it up.<br /><br />BTW let me add, it takes a good naval leader to bring these programs to fruition. The USN is set up such that NO naval officer leads, manages, directs a ship acquisition from initial approval through OT&E. That time period is just too long for one to serve in. Really the program should be led from rqmts to IOC, but that is even longer.<br /><br />There have been instances in the past when wise and enduring naval leaders led a program Rickover being primary example, but those men are far too few.<br /><br />this is something I think Sal has pointed out before.leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-20829020762915328762011-08-16T17:41:05.018-04:002011-08-16T17:41:05.018-04:00Ok I will lay the Mitt Romney reply on you: Where...Ok I will lay the Mitt Romney reply on you: Where do all those profits go? To people be it share holders, corporate officers or other investors.<br /><br />Shipyards are in business to make money, not just because they like to build ships.leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-77275004432172292342011-08-16T17:38:40.218-04:002011-08-16T17:38:40.218-04:00gee I thought I said that? Big shipyards have CAN ...gee I thought I said that? Big shipyards have CAN have their impact, but Congress ALWAYS doesleeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-2461017080599376922011-08-16T16:48:53.450-04:002011-08-16T16:48:53.450-04:00training while steaming towards the engagement.
n...training while steaming towards the engagement.<br /><br />not in this day and age navy.<br /><br />not enough power to run the system besides all of the additional team is having a team meeting on the fantail or what amounts to it. most of them are feeding the fish cause they haven't been out in quite a while........<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-38957173229418107512011-08-16T13:48:29.681-04:002011-08-16T13:48:29.681-04:00sometimes there is a feeling and observation of a ...sometimes there is a feeling and observation of a total fiasco. sometimes it is planned by behind the scenes types.<br /><br />example: there was an SSN refueling in one of the san francisco area activities during the viet nam era. a total goat f......<br /><br />in the afterlife most of the lines of ineptetude were found to lead across one desk in the planning & estimating/typedesk office.<br /><br />C pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-75056281501253759192011-08-16T13:34:46.648-04:002011-08-16T13:34:46.648-04:00my pipline into navsea told me for years (in the w...my pipline into navsea told me for years (in the work place) that there was this new project called the littoral compat ship in the works. it was supposed to be the beall endall. he retired in 93.<br /><br />so whats this about a study that <em>outlined the need.</em> is it a procedural step that combines feelings and wants into a reasonable request?????<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-69291390068898870852011-08-16T13:12:38.699-04:002011-08-16T13:12:38.699-04:00<span>about the modules:
consider the fo...<span>about the modules: <br /> <br />consider the following scenario. <br /> <br />lcs1 is in the Bay of timbukto and is loaded up for ASW and AAC modules. a mine blows a fishing boat to flinders. so they make a fast run to the "module loader"and find that the mine sweeping module is not at hand. <br /> <br />investigation reveals that 10 of the modules were contracted for. 10 were delivered, or at least large red boxes were. 6 were actually used (two lost in the inadvertant sinkings of lcs 4&6) but the 10th was "canabalized" for CASREP repair parts. three others are at SPCC waiting for parts. one cannot be found (it later comes to light that it was sold as scrap because the tin tag identifying it was "smeared off" by a forklift and became "unidentifiable material" in the supply department's eyes.) another was found at riveriera pier at subic bay filled with hazardous waste. <br /> <br />of the ones in operation all have been declared "critical material" by the local FLEET COMs (the closest of which is 11,000 miles away from timbukto). <br /> <br />timbukto has no airport of any kind. <br /></span><br /><span>as a result i can see the PPT bunch in a forced draft developing a cargo hauling SEAPLANE capable of C-17 loads to meet this need. however the patomic palaces will not realize that the aircraft plus its support systems and organizaions will not be ready for service until 25 years after the last LCS sinks (at the current rate of one loss every 1.6 yrs,) <br />C </span>pknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-90748834809378891502011-08-16T12:41:27.361-04:002011-08-16T12:41:27.361-04:00No requirements, no design and no build.
"Pai...<em>No requirements, no design and no build.</em><br />"Paint The Side The Admiral Sees" requirements in this case...And the Primes were quite happy to deliver the resulting junk unquestioningly...For A sweet profit.sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-26502669870967676812011-08-16T12:24:22.404-04:002011-08-16T12:24:22.404-04:00Aubrey, the Navy sets the requirements and oversee...Aubrey, the Navy sets the requirements and oversees the program. The contractor builds the ship. And when the ship fails and everyone knows it, it takes a special kind of snake oil salesman to convince the morons and manipulate the scrupleless into mortgaging the future of the Navy to further a bottom line.<br /><br />So yes, there is more than enough blame to go around. We must be equal parts courageous in not only outing our beloved Navy and its Admiralty for sucking , but also outing our industry partners.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14438407228546003682011-08-16T11:31:42.191-04:002011-08-16T11:31:42.191-04:00Byron et al... that's the beauty of it all... ...Byron et al... that's the beauty of it all... when everybody is to blame, nobody is to blame.DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-60549210349950380782011-08-16T10:29:27.018-04:002011-08-16T10:29:27.018-04:00Aubrey, such an abortion and deathtrap could not h...Aubrey, such an abortion and deathtrap could not have been built simply by US Navy ineptness, as strange as that might sound. Believe me when I tell you there's a lot of executives, including retired senior Naval officers who have made a hell of a lot of money off a program that should have been stillborn 7 years ago. The Navy had to have help in this disaster, and that help came from the primary contractors with congress urging them on.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59033163971493463972011-08-16T10:05:36.607-04:002011-08-16T10:05:36.607-04:00By the way, I like many, many others have a signif...By the way, I like many, many others have a significant amount of money in the stock market. I make money from these "evil corporations". Does that make me evil too?Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-10653936531769068822011-08-16T10:04:26.559-04:002011-08-16T10:04:26.559-04:00Byron and Salty - the Navy definitely made its own...Byron and Salty - the Navy <strong>definitely</strong> made its own bed with the LCS. To try and shift blame to a faceless, evil "corporation" is the same as the lefty Brits trying to shift blame for the riots to corporate marketing and government cuts (ie the "culture of greed").<br /><br />The USN got what it wanted - unfortunately, what the flags wanted a useless bathtub toy. Do you think if they had asked for a re-made <em>Fletcher</em> or <em>Gearing</em> that Lockheed would have refused to build it?<br /><br />The first-fault in this fiasco lies with the USN and the requirements that they came up with. No requirements, no design and no build.Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59235227884543324422011-08-16T08:41:54.000-04:002011-08-16T08:41:54.000-04:00I'm going to agree with Byron here. It's ...I'm going to agree with Byron here. It's not everyone in Big Business, there are quite a few retired types with their hearts in the right place. But then again there are quite a few snake oil salesmen who Pied Piper scrupleless Admirals into buying crap like the LCS for a future signing bonus.<br /><br />Two words: Lockheed Martin.Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-34829402156645290212011-08-16T08:32:49.000-04:002011-08-16T08:32:49.000-04:00With all due respect, that is a naive statement. T...With all due respect, that is a naive statement. The only thing that "big business" cares about, the first thing even in the best of all worlds, is their profit and lost, and most particularly, the executive bonuses. If what you say was true there would be no need for lobbyists, would there?Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-56923800261986317302011-08-16T08:27:16.000-04:002011-08-16T08:27:16.000-04:00there are days when I am truly sad about the prosp...there are days when I am truly sad about the prospect of leaving active service.<br /><br />then I read shit like this and my end of obligated service can't come fast enough.Actus Rhesusnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-68202632716264183612011-08-16T08:24:50.000-04:002011-08-16T08:24:50.000-04:00Byron, I disagree. The business interests have an...Byron, I disagree. The business interests have an interest in building ships, of course, but they don't have any particular interest in building bad ships in preference to good ones.Mike M.noreply@blogger.com