tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post1007319687826376050..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: LPD-17's XO acquitted at Court MartialCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-81956748010429860642013-03-14T07:47:28.990-04:002013-03-14T07:47:28.990-04:00http://www.cafb29b24.org/docs/buyativan/#36489 gen...http://www.cafb29b24.org/docs/buyativan/#36489 generic medication ativan - ativan overdose side effectsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73894238983851525162010-11-13T07:25:53.000-05:002010-11-13T07:25:53.000-05:00The NavSafCen Site has the applicable sections of ...The NavSafCen Site has the applicable sections of NSTM available for download.<br /><a href="http://www.public.navy.mil/navsafecen/Documents/afloat/Surface/DeckAir/D_Ref/583V2HdStow.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.public.navy.mil/navsafecen/Documents/afloat/Surface/DeckAir/D_Ref/583V2HdStow.pdf</a><br /><br />Deck Operations at sea are dynamic and inherently unforgiving. Close supervision by a qualified experienced technically expert deck leader is essential. The XO is not the only man on board capable of so doing, nor is he the logical first choice. A ship of this class is too large, too complicated and has potentially life threatening operations in progress, must of the time multiple potentially hazardous evolutions simultaneously.<br /><br />It is called going down to the sea in ships and it is never easy or safe. Requiring the XO to be everywhere at once will just exhaust the XO and impede the professional development of officers and petty officers in the chain command (for the case of the XO, every one but the Captain).<br /><br />See also the dressing down gently given to Capt Nathan Biddles about his desire to return to relieve a subordinate at a hazardous post without resting and resupplying his exhausted troops. "We had to learn...so does he...Do you want to ruin the boy?"Grandpa Bluewaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-68194869563486629952010-11-10T21:42:19.000-05:002010-11-10T21:42:19.000-05:00<span>Problems with the LPD-17 class are en...<span>Problems with the LPD-17 class are enormous. Problems that leadership are not addressing and have gone on to cost the Navy billions to resolve. Noteworthy, as a reward for their work (and the problems listed in the Balisle Report is basically the resume of failure at FFC under ADM Greenert & Harvey),the current CNO promoted these folks and the Senate approved those promotions. It is sad that in the country known for free speech, there would be very high costs for just about anyone who observes these things about the US Navy today. Former CO & XO BRAVO ZULU on standing up for what is the truth but know it has cost you your careers. Others wrongfully punished by Harvey should join forces w/the CO & XO!Take your fight to the Hill & tell ALL! Bring up the problems of a ship as CO & XO as a leader at sea - You're Fired! Cost the country billions while leading ashore & at FFC - You're Promoted! That is my definition of a leadership culture that selectively applies accountability. Harvey & Greenert should be forced to RESIGN! And rumor has it that these two ADMs are on the short list to be vetted for the next CNO & VCNO! GOD HELP US! GOD HELP THE US NAVY!</span>BillyGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-66527867857288120872010-11-10T06:40:50.000-05:002010-11-10T06:40:50.000-05:00Actually, you can not deny mast attached to a ship...Actually, you can not deny mast attached to a ship. You have to be ashore to do that. Additionally it is often a denial of mast not a request for court martial. The convening authority will push it up to a court martial. I do not know if he asked for it in this case to call attention to the upper level Navy issues that without shots being fired still cost Sailors their lives.LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-74682996921800561242010-11-09T23:15:25.000-05:002010-11-09T23:15:25.000-05:00To the EN1's family, my sympathy from a gratef...To the EN1's family, my sympathy from a grateful nation for his service. To the LCDR for standing up like a man, asking for CM, and calling it like it is...BZ and what <a href="mailto:B@lls" rel="nofollow">B@lls</a>. That is all.DM05noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-31762691745597501382010-11-09T21:46:20.000-05:002010-11-09T21:46:20.000-05:00WRONG. He opted for the courts martial to clear h...WRONG. He opted for the courts martial to clear his name and expose the truth. Had nothing to do with his then current command @ SWOS. Unless you are involved in providing information in support of these and other 17 proceedings, you may want to pipe down, shipmate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-17868809696580592902010-11-09T21:09:19.000-05:002010-11-09T21:09:19.000-05:00Should a sharp Navy Surface LCDR and a Navy Chief ...Should a sharp Navy Surface LCDR and a Navy Chief be able to figure out how to make any piece of gear work, excepting nuclear power plants and aircraft? Sure they can and they get medals for it in wartime. We do not however Court Martial sailors for not being able to operate equipment they have not been trained on. The question for the Command should have been one not of competence but of liability. Did they document the deficiencies and warn their seniors that a potentially hazardous condition existed? This reminds me of what happened to the USS Pueblo. She was also sent to sea improperly equipped.LifeoftheMindnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-24746605876783733132010-11-09T20:11:55.000-05:002010-11-09T20:11:55.000-05:00The comments at the CAAFBlog post indicate that th...The comments at the CAAFBlog post indicate that the CO was given an NJP. The XO was given an NJP but had been transferred and was no longer on board a vessal (opps!) and so opted for the Court Martial.Andrewdbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-53893837490118615852010-11-09T16:58:49.000-05:002010-11-09T16:58:49.000-05:00Mrs Donald Rumsfield will soon christen LPD-24, U...Mrs Donald Rumsfield will soon christen LPD-24, USS ARLINGTON at the Nortrupgrumman shipyard in Pascagola. LPD-24 will be launched and tied up right next to LPD-22 which was launched earlier this past Spring. USS SAN DIEGO will be homeported out here in San Diego while USS ARLINGTON will go to the Virginia homeport.<br /><br />I've heard from the precomm crew that USS SAN DIEGO LPD-22 crew is growing larger and they will move onboard the new ship next summer for a few months before they sail it thru the Panama Canal to Southern California. Perhaps the boat handling manuals will be issued to the LPD-22 pre-comm crew prior to sailing away from the shpyard in Pascagoula ?SoCal 91noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-39811036018205622492010-11-09T16:52:06.000-05:002010-11-09T16:52:06.000-05:00Two quotes from Navy Times sum it up best:
Prosec...Two quotes from Navy Times sum it up best:<br /><br /><em></em><strong>Prosecution witnesses, for instance, had said the “best practices” gathered from general experience on systems common to many Navy ships, including small boat operations, were known to and disseminated to shipboard leaders, an apparent defense of the lack of formal training guidance.</strong><br /><strong></strong><em>But, [Defense Counsel] said in his closing statement, “Are 'best practices' the standard that we hold somebody criminally negligent for?”</em><br /><strong></strong><em></em><br />BZ to LCDR Kearns AND to the members of the Court for making the RIGHT decision. I'd sail with LCDR Kearns ANYWHERE.<br /><br /><strong></strong>QMC(SS)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49614016752462868192010-11-09T15:45:30.000-05:002010-11-09T15:45:30.000-05:00I concour, Andong died for his country. What a pi...I concour, Andong died for his country. What a pity that carelessness on the part of the Navy in sending the ship to sea without proper SOPs in place, nor even existant was the cause of his death.SCOTTtheBADGERnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59512212872105637982010-11-09T15:22:54.000-05:002010-11-09T15:22:54.000-05:00Each one of those stars represent a little chunk o...Each one of those stars represent a little chunk of soul lost?Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-53046035957143036142010-11-09T14:47:00.000-05:002010-11-09T14:47:00.000-05:00BZ to LCDR Kearns. Pin a medal on him. Fire his ...BZ to LCDR Kearns. Pin a medal on him. Fire his superiors who pressed for the pound of flesh.<br /><br />Dazed and confused about the missing 40% of tech manuals. Did someone forget the CD or is the material still being developed?<br /><br />I can see SOPs lacking, I don't understand it but I can see how the holes exist.<br /><br />The whole thing sounds like a witch hunt!Redeye80noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46281350016321886812010-11-09T13:49:30.000-05:002010-11-09T13:49:30.000-05:00Given the outcome, I'd think that Adm Harvey t...Given the outcome, I'd think that Adm Harvey thinks that the dense counsel was the prosecution, not the defense.Perrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-60166452257928761192010-11-09T13:42:12.000-05:002010-11-09T13:42:12.000-05:00Phib, you left out an important part of the story....Phib, you left out an important part of the story. Though I admire him in many ways, Admiral Harvey was gunning for him. He dismissed the findings of a) the Command's investigation, b) the PHIBRON investigation and c) ESG 2's investigation, all of which cleared both the CO and the XO. Harvey went on to issue NJP to the skipper, who fell on his sword, tendered his letter and resigned (which was a tragedy too), and then targeted the XO, who had the courage to stand and fight.<br /><br />Fleet Forces does not have their hands clean in LPD-17 either, and that includes current administration. Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-33730468269604490112010-11-09T13:24:46.000-05:002010-11-09T13:24:46.000-05:00 Er, that should read "defense counsel"... Er, that should read "defense counsel" vice "dense councel", though I am certain the latter was in play during this entire affair. 8-) AW1 Timnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83910616962020904302010-11-09T13:19:40.000-05:002010-11-09T13:19:40.000-05:00What was amazing to me was when the Dense Counsel ...What was amazing to me was when the Dense Counsel queried one of the witnesses as to the proper procedure for lowering the small boat in question. The witness (I believe a CPO) answered that they didn't have a set procedure as yet. (I am paraphrasing here). When further queried as to what the manual says about lowering the samll boat, he replied that no such manual existed. It had yet to be written, let alone supplied to the crew.<br /><br /> This ship was sent to sea in an incomplete state simply to allow PR points for "putting a new class to sea". Many manuals and procedures still only exist as "vaporware", if that. To expect ANY crew, no matter how savvy end senior to "make it up as you go along" is bad enough, but to then try and cover leadership's backsides by courtmartialling and/or reprimanding those same sailors when accidents happen, is, to my mind such a failure of leadership as to demand resignations of those responsible for demanding said punishments.AW1 Timnoreply@blogger.com