tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post931553619123346938..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Keeping an Eye on the Long Game: Part XXXIIICDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-30827770862289355602010-12-24T15:57:38.000-05:002010-12-24T15:57:38.000-05:00Sure Skippy... e.g. The Free Republic
<span>...Sure Skippy... e.g. The <strong>Free Republic</strong><br /><a href="http://cdn.js-kit.com/posts" rel="nofollow"><span><b>Obama Places U.S. Under UN's LOST Treaty with Executive Order for "National Council Of Oceans"</b></span></a><br /><strong></strong><span>July 30, 2010</span>Vigilisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-51842806851328727212010-12-24T13:35:50.000-05:002010-12-24T13:35:50.000-05:00Careful -- beware the mirror imaging...read and wa...Careful -- beware the mirror imaging...read and watch how they intend to conduct operations and place it in a total force context, not just CVBG vs CVBG.<br />w/r, SJSSteeljawnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-43251141351338377402010-12-24T11:24:50.000-05:002010-12-24T11:24:50.000-05:00Source please.Source please.Skippy-sannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-5634219789030594912010-12-23T22:53:34.000-05:002010-12-23T22:53:34.000-05:00The problem with that is that China isnt so much c...The problem with that is that China isnt so much communist as state socialist. And China has never given a damn about anyone else. Not that their is much of a difference between communism or socialism.<br /><br />China hasnt been infected with the form of super liberalism that is trying to unman the western world. Neither has anyone else.<br /><br />Maybe the Japanese will see this as the slap in the face they need and start up a super carrier program.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-69051513817376254742010-12-23T21:53:48.000-05:002010-12-23T21:53:48.000-05:00How did all this happen? We stopped doing the righ...How did all this happen? We stopped doing the right thing. The right thing is to ALWAYS contain communism. Period. Dot.Eric Palmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-3071676057182844562010-12-23T18:43:22.000-05:002010-12-23T18:43:22.000-05:002015 - first carrier reaches full operational capa...2015 - first carrier reaches full operational capability<br />2020 - second carrier joins<br />2020+ they start to churn out carriers every 3 years<br />2041 they reach carrier parity with US at 9 carriers each<br />2042 - Midway 2.0?ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-74834203487480048042010-12-23T18:38:10.000-05:002010-12-23T18:38:10.000-05:002030? Try 2020 - at the latest. The Chinese are ...2030? Try 2020 - at the latest. The Chinese are in a position to learn from our example. All they really need is practice, and they are working hard on that.<br /><br />China isn't like the Soviet Union. They need sea trade to keep going as much as we do...which means they are likely to keep plugging away at CV operations until they are proficient.Mike M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-30588517548277153362010-12-23T17:51:18.000-05:002010-12-23T17:51:18.000-05:00At least Chinese pilots probably won't whine w...At least Chinese pilots probably won't whine when they get a No Grade!Skippy-sannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-75624071386940015182010-12-23T17:51:03.000-05:002010-12-23T17:51:03.000-05:00Name any U.S. treaty that prevents Mexico from inv...Name any U.S. treaty that prevents Mexico from inviting a Chinese carrier to pay a port visit for "humanitarian" purposes.<br /><br />Did I hear that elements of the Obama administration consider the constitutional system of approving treaties archaic, and replaceable by executive orders?<br /><br />It is that we can wait for time to tell, or is there no longer sufficient time to react. Think long term, indeed.Vigilisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-58492402763475385472010-12-23T16:01:43.000-05:002010-12-23T16:01:43.000-05:00Geez, Guest.
That same kind of willful blindness ...Geez, Guest.<br /><br />That same kind of willful blindness got us into messes before.<br /><br />"They'll (China) never be able to figure out how to build one!" So they bought one and reverse engineered it. Then bought another, and will refurbish and commission it. Then they are building one.<br /><br />"They'll never figure out how to run CATOBAR operations!" So they laid out a carrier deck on the ground and are running steam catapults and arresting gear. <br /><br />"They'll never figure out how to design a jet aircraft suitable for carrier operations!" So they reverse engineered the SU-33 and are re-designing the J-10. <br /><br />"They'll never figure out how to protect them!" So they are re-equipping their DD/DDGs to do just that. <br /><br />Yet, when they are one day able to project naval power in a similar fashion (and perhaps greater strength) as we do, it will somehow come as a surprise. <br /><br />But hey, that's okay. Diversity, Gay Rights, Optimal Manning, HA/DR. Priorities for the US Navy.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-41753472175634781432010-12-23T15:35:43.000-05:002010-12-23T15:35:43.000-05:00逃亡者,逃亡者,逃亡者! = Bolter, Bolter, Bolter现在裝配護攔! = No...逃亡者,逃亡者,逃亡者! = Bolter, Bolter, Bolter现在裝配護攔! = Now Rig the BarricadeSouthern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29279726581830778282010-12-23T15:25:47.000-05:002010-12-23T15:25:47.000-05:00Well they have been buying and modifying Sovremenn...Well they have been buying and modifying Sovremenny class DDG's that the Soviets use to have as thier close range escorts and air defense. Most intel services agree that the Sovremenny is equivalent to the Kidd class DDG's or Type 42 DDG's but outranges both of them by having the SS-N-22 missiles.<br />Then they have the Type 052C class DDG's which carries the C-602 anti-shipping missile (again something that out ranges the Harpoon) and the HQ-9 as an Air-Defense Missile (something equivalent to the S-300/SA-10 missile). All on a LO hull with a ChiCom copy of a Phased Array radar, and would probably be the equal to a Burke Flight I, but already having the hangar space built in to carry a pair of Dauphin style ASW helos.<br />Then there are a few more that are coming down the pipe which could be equivalent to the Tico class CG's<br />They are building the fleet to go with their carriers. The question would be where are they looking to project power to and what regions are they looking to influenceSouthern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78036986141076490892010-12-23T14:44:52.000-05:002010-12-23T14:44:52.000-05:00You really need to start thinking long term; they ...You really need to start thinking long term; they are.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78306966379875940892010-12-23T14:30:36.000-05:002010-12-23T14:30:36.000-05:00no Kido Butai yet, but by 2042... quite possible
b...no Kido Butai yet, but by 2042... quite possible<br />but in Washington DC time horizon is the next election at best...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-11104467939814102512010-12-23T13:47:57.000-05:002010-12-23T13:47:57.000-05:00even if they COULD keep it at sea, how would they ...even if they COULD keep it at sea, how would they protect it??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com