tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post8738580916702722036..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: I'll take that LCS Plan B ...CDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger106125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-1895162964199281862020-12-23T07:25:56.492-05:002020-12-23T07:25:56.492-05:00Cdr Salamander: I'Ll Take That Lcs Plan B ... ...Cdr Salamander: I'Ll Take That Lcs Plan B ... >>>>> <a href="http://net4.pw/EnbH1?50" rel="nofollow">Download Now</a><br><br>>>>>> <a href="http://net4.pw/EnbH1?47" rel="nofollow">Download Full</a><br><br>Cdr Salamander: I'Ll Take That Lcs Plan B ... >>>>> <a href="http://net4.pw/EnbH1?11" rel="nofollow">Download LINK</a><br><br>>>>>> <a href="http://net4.pw/EnbH1?78" rel="nofollow">Download Now</a><br><br>Cdr Salamander: I'Ll Take That Lcs Plan B ... >>>>> <a href="http://net4.pw/EnbH1?76" rel="nofollow">Download Full</a><br><br>>>>>> <a href="http://net4.pw/EnbH1?86" rel="nofollow">Download LINK</a> Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15875899942613133847noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-82983572390787726512011-07-30T08:30:12.884-04:002011-07-30T08:30:12.884-04:00And capable of becoming a battle loser quickly too...And capable of becoming a battle loser quickly too...sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-17595236051621170072011-07-30T04:24:22.949-04:002011-07-30T04:24:22.949-04:00we used to send in a battleship within 5 nm of sho...we used to send in a battleship within 5 nm of shore...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-36821165458968777322011-07-30T03:02:35.751-04:002011-07-30T03:02:35.751-04:00<span>"8 inch has its place but not on...<span>"8 inch has its place but not on an escort this size..."</span><br /><br />I think you are lookingbat this backwards. Getting within 8" gun range of a coast is not something one wants to do with a big air defence cruiser. The MK71 was able to be fitted on the USS Hull which 2800 tons and still had 2 x 5" guns (of comperable weight), so 3500 tons ought to buy 1 x 8", 8-16 VLS tubes, a sonar system comperable to the one on the FFGs, and two helicopters. The gun looks impressive but this is actually fairly austere. OTOH the 32-64 ESSMs the VLS represent are a decent self defence capability and very limited area defence system. I'd fit them with SPY1-K at the absolute maximum, more likely something like the fit on the Perrys. This vessel can go in and do NGfS without risking the big ABM/AAW ships, be cheaper to operate and if a VDS can be squeezed in would be a one for one replacement for the Perrys. Alternatively two 5" guns would provide redundancy, but the cost in length might be prohibitivew.Brickmuppetnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-60929508987265579702011-07-30T03:01:54.933-04:002011-07-30T03:01:54.933-04:00but at least it is 1. seaworthy 2. long range 3. c...but at least it is 1. seaworthy 2. long range 3. capable of upgunning easilyewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-88983367402877619162011-07-29T23:25:07.760-04:002011-07-29T23:25:07.760-04:00Guys, I'm more than halfway serious about this...Guys, I'm more than halfway serious about this.<br /><br />If you want to do something like this, shoot me an email - crowdsourcewarship@yahoo.comLT Rustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-41273057786485837002011-07-29T22:35:25.079-04:002011-07-29T22:35:25.079-04:00The NSC is not built to warship standards either.....The NSC is not built to warship standards either...<br /><br />Their bulkheads wiill crush and fail with even moderate shock....sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-82324417624180681632011-07-29T20:50:44.568-04:002011-07-29T20:50:44.568-04:00How about building a basic frigate design. No aegi...How about building a basic frigate design. No aegis system leave that to the Cruisers and DDG's.<br /><br />But a basic hull with as others have pointed out no towed arrays please.<br /><br />5in gun<br />Torp launchers<br />Basic point defense with phalanx or whatever and Harpoon launcher.<br />Landing pad<br /><br />And<br /><br />5in gun<br />16 (8x bow) (8x sternward) VLS option of fitting SM-2 or tomahawks.<br />???<br /><br />Could more befitted without compromising cost and manning requirments?Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-88619108079945998932011-07-29T19:58:58.381-04:002011-07-29T19:58:58.381-04:00"Row well and live....""Row well and live...."DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73252184301160427932011-07-29T18:26:17.080-04:002011-07-29T18:26:17.080-04:00"galley slave" a wonderful lateral tran..."galley slave" a wonderful lateral transfer for the diversity commisars.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-34479369558848966242011-07-29T18:11:22.364-04:002011-07-29T18:11:22.364-04:00How about a combined program, the last 31 ships of...How about a combined program, the last 31 ships of the LCS program and the 25 ships of the Coast Guard Offshore Patrol Cutter program for a total of 66 ships. Then we get true economies of scale.<br /><br />http://cgblog.org/2011/02/06/shipbuilding-my-grand-plan-navy-and-cg-work-together/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-55401977183818993562011-07-29T12:28:38.325-04:002011-07-29T12:28:38.325-04:00<span>Design option 4 is really the favored...<i><span>Design option 4 is really the favored one. A combination CVN/amphib/NGF/AEGIS/ASW platform that can also be used in HA/DR missions.</span></i><br /><br /><a href="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2164/2185133403_b8bef910ff_z.jpg" rel="nofollow">Here is the one aircraft that will be aboard</a>....sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-85306866764523422462011-07-29T11:51:36.835-04:002011-07-29T11:51:36.835-04:00here's a replacement for so-called shallow wat...here's a replacement for so-called shallow water LCS toys:<br /><br />http://www.navy.mil/view_single.asp?id=102693<br /><br /><br />Note: this is a self-supply-ing warship, never needing to go alongside a food ship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-27963226108607071702011-07-29T11:44:51.010-04:002011-07-29T11:44:51.010-04:00I guess it all becomes one big towed sonar array w...I guess it all becomes one big towed sonar array when they try to winch it out to sea again? (Just a landlubber's guess)DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-91479962658670252902011-07-29T11:36:34.700-04:002011-07-29T11:36:34.700-04:00heck, in line with URRs wacky design shop, I prese...heck, in line with URRs wacky design shop, I present hereby:<br />HMS Li Wo class:<br />http://www.forcez-survivors.org.uk/biographies/listliwocrew.html<br />it is optimally manned, with COTS hull design and proves anythig can be used as a weapon, on sea, too...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-88417392712241656752011-07-29T11:29:45.690-04:002011-07-29T11:29:45.690-04:00Design option 4 is really the favored one. A comb...Design option 4 is really the favored one. A combination CVN/amphib/NGF/AEGIS/ASW platform that can also be used in HA/DR missions. It's got helos, F/W, embarked Marines, missiles, an 8" turret from USS <i>Salem</i>, you name it. The price tag is high, about $87 billion each, but Secretary Mabus favors it because the Navy can shrink to just five ships if we build these. <br /><br />And no, they didn't cover what happens to the sonar dome when this thing beaches.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83300169019804124332011-07-29T11:26:06.814-04:002011-07-29T11:26:06.814-04:00<span>Design Option 3 is built to reach 100...<span>Design Option 3 is built to reach 100 knots, as we know how crucial speed is in the littorals. NGSB is going to have to build a gigantic version of the Chevy big-block 396, with a great big carburator and hood scoop. NASCAR stickers are optional, though Byron would like them, I imagine. <br /> <br />Navy oilers will have to carry hi-test 93 octane, and a huge load of lead substitute.</span>UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-62143068326293221052011-07-29T11:21:04.065-04:002011-07-29T11:21:04.065-04:00The second design is built around the 40" nav...The second design is built around the 40" naval gun. Hell, we demand undeveloped technology all the time in our designs, so why not another? It can throw a ten-ton projo 200km accurately. According to the power point.<br /><br />The Commandant of the Marine Corps is on board.<br /><br />The drawback is that it can only carry two rounds of ammunition, and you have to roll the projo off a CVN onto the deck. But it is still faster than reloading VLS...UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-70653303493361700442011-07-29T11:17:02.830-04:002011-07-29T11:17:02.830-04:00Okay, my engineering team and I have been at work ...Okay, my engineering team and I have been at work all morning producing drawings of possible FF/LCS alternatives. <br /><br />Here is the first one, that is in line with the CNO's sustainable energy plan. The downside is that it only has a top speed of 12 knots in a gale, or, without wind, 6 knots. And they will need to create a new rating called "galley slave".UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-16984224398263732022011-07-29T10:47:21.592-04:002011-07-29T10:47:21.592-04:00well, as I see it - the option A is no VLS, some h...well, as I see it - the option A is no VLS, some harpoon canisters and torp launchers - such package can be done even on 500 ton swedish corvettes/FAC that were close to the original LCS concept<br />option B is 32 cell VLS split between harpoons, ASROC and ESSM as mission needs but this requires bigger ship of course...<br />remember even WW2 destroyers had only 5 inch guns so no 8 inch madness here, please...<br />of course when we will be talking future cruisers, they are welcome!<br />one thing worth noting is that while helo and hangar dont eat up much weight, they eat up lots of space, so 2k tons light frig without air wing canm easily pack loads of VLS/guns<br />final thoughts:<br />FFG(X) v1 = fore 5in, fore 16 cell vls, aft hangar, helo pad<br />FFG(X) v2 - fore 5in, fore 16 cell vls, aft 5 in, aft 16 cell vls<br />any better ideas?ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46521662822280091152011-07-29T10:17:02.010-04:002011-07-29T10:17:02.010-04:00I'm with Ewok on this - part of our problem no...I'm with Ewok on this - part of our problem now is we want to design ships to do too many damn things, instead of sticking with simple designs. You can't have everything on a small hull. What do we want out of a frigate - ASW capability? ASuW? NGF? You can probably get two of those, but definitely not all three (as far as I can see, anyway).<br /><br />Stick with 35 knots and I imagine you can get 1-2 5" guns (I would love 1-2 double turrets, but there is zero chance of THAT happening) plus a twin 40mm or two (for FACs) for the ASuW aspect, toss in sonar and VL-ASROC for ASW...not sure about torps, though, as that is a lot of weight to add. You might also be able to cram in a Harpoon launcher, but I don't think space and weight will allow that on <5k tons with everything else.<br /><br />You want to emphasize the NGF and ASuW aspect, go with 32 knots and mount 2 8" (or better yet, 2 doubles), and load up on missile space...<br /><br />Both of those mean you have to trust the Burkes' and the CVNs for airborne threats (aside from probably being able to load some ESSMs)...Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-1281022542827616232011-07-29T09:59:27.604-04:002011-07-29T09:59:27.604-04:00Of course the historian will say, "Just dust ...Of course the historian will say, "Just dust off the damn plans for a Gearing!" ;)Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-24762667966452951162011-07-29T09:57:26.915-04:002011-07-29T09:57:26.915-04:00Heck, we could downgrade that motto "Dare to ...Heck, we could downgrade that motto "Dare to not suck!" and still come out ahead...Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-38912234084529731152011-07-29T08:37:28.563-04:002011-07-29T08:37:28.563-04:00What a capital idea. I am envisioning p*ssing awa...What a capital idea. I am envisioning p*ssing away a Friday morning doing this. UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-82497915679127841452011-07-29T08:19:08.825-04:002011-07-29T08:19:08.825-04:00"<span>You know, I still think we'v..."<span>You know, I still think we've got enough brainpower here to crowd-source an effective warship design..." This could be Romper Room's err, the Porch's art project while teach is away.<br /></span>Surfcasternoreply@blogger.com