tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post791128936281334807..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Skipper, come sign your Page 13CDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-16234231780075277172011-07-23T13:19:47.862-04:002011-07-23T13:19:47.862-04:00I believe we have just eviscerated our next genera...I believe we have just eviscerated our next generation of leadership. You know, the ones who relish the idea of the challenges and triumphs that come with THEIR command. The ones who are undeterred by a slow economy--because they'll know they'll be successful on the outside. The ones who have intelligence, creativity, courage and honor to such a high degree that they recognize where it isn't and wish to have no association with that. The ones who thrive on trust, which is obviously not to be given now. More sad than angry.PERMDUINSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-65103790454017103632011-07-23T07:08:51.127-04:002011-07-23T07:08:51.127-04:00As Herman Wouk wrote- either warvis finished or we...As Herman Wouk wrote- either warvis finished or we are.Skippy-sannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-6129508874608632912011-07-23T06:58:23.135-04:002011-07-23T06:58:23.135-04:00You know, even Stockdale had his flaws. His tenure...You know, even Stockdale had his flaws. His tenure as President of The Citadel was terrible. He needlessly antagonized the Alumni, supressed scholarship donations, and screwed over some very good men. Their is no memorial on Campus to him- and his picture is not even up in the Daniel Library. And it should be that way. General Grimsley saved the college and it took him 5 years to undo the damage Stockdale did in one. Courageous man- but in that role he failed miserably. The Board of Visitors should never have hired him.Skippy-sannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-1259670634612003492011-07-23T00:50:45.978-04:002011-07-23T00:50:45.978-04:00Copy all regarding the lelgal/admin issues. If yo...Copy all regarding the lelgal/admin issues. If you serve honorably for twenty years, make one mistake and get fired, you will not promote to O-6. There is no official punishment. I was just pointing out that the difference in retirement pay, especially over 30+ years cannot be overlooked as a "punishment" for being fired. The board is supposed to consider the sum of your career, but we know that is not the case.Andy Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29624325540380274942011-07-23T00:44:01.351-04:002011-07-23T00:44:01.351-04:00We haven't learned a thing...and worse there i...We haven't learned a thing...and worse there isn't an flag out there keeping the faith like VADM Stockdale.Andy Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-22713332700806148492011-07-22T20:43:25.694-04:002011-07-22T20:43:25.694-04:00Guest,
You are obviously new to the porch (as am...Guest, <br /><br />You are obviously new to the porch (as am I), so I really think I ought to warn yu in fairness - you are definitely fighting outside of your class. <br /><br />Do yourself a favor and don't get into a battle of the wits when you are unarmed.Aubreynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14445462869565899522011-07-22T20:08:39.322-04:002011-07-22T20:08:39.322-04:00<span>Guest, now you're just being a tro...<span>Guest, now you're just being a troll. Doubt you commanded anything more prestigious than your bathtub boats. <br /> <br />"<span>I don't recall anyone saying that process should be skipped." Yes you do. <br /></span> <br /> <br />"<span>Signed page 13 + behavior mentioned above = No retirement benefits."</span> <br /> <br />Due process. It keeps the kind of stupidity that you vomit forth from being consequential.</span>UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-64229769437459277272011-07-22T18:48:35.122-04:002011-07-22T18:48:35.122-04:00I don't recall anyone saying that process shou...I don't recall anyone saying that process should be skipped. You sure seem nervous about needing protections, I hope you at least didn't get her preggers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-68715876141325617122011-07-22T16:16:43.075-04:002011-07-22T16:16:43.075-04:00@Stu, It's worse than that, although I'm s...@Stu, It's worse than that, although I'm sure some guys are congratulating themselves for being proactive here. It's more like the "Administrative Warning" that we made "Fireman Timmy" sign after Mast so you had a better case for discharging him with an OTH if he went to Mast again. "Cover your a55 with paper".<br /><br />Somehow having to tell an O-5 (let alone an O-6) "You are hereby reminded to obey Navy Regulations" leads me to believe that the Navy's current command screening process leaves a bit to be desired.C-dore 14noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-24342233723720271602011-07-22T14:58:03.249-04:002011-07-22T14:58:03.249-04:00Fo thoughtful comment from a "Philosophical F...Fo thoughtful comment from a "Philosophical Fighter Pilot," See:<br /><a href="http://www.usnwc.edu/NavalWarCollegeReviewArchives/1970s/1978%20Fall.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.usnwc.edu/NavalWarCollegeReviewArchives/1970s/1978%20Fall.pdf</a>prschoefnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-90551747238085547502011-07-22T12:37:53.161-04:002011-07-22T12:37:53.161-04:00<span>Seeing as how the 150th anniversary o...<span>Seeing as how the 150th anniversary of the Battle of First Manassas is being commemorated not far from here even as I type, I think the following is in order as well: <br /><i> </i><br /><i><span>"It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it."</span></i> <br />and <br /><i><span>"Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less."</span></i> <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Notable%20Lee%20Quotes.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sonofthesouth.net/leefoundation/Notable%20Lee%20Quotes.htm</a></span>Grumpy Old Hamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83235811467125094132011-07-22T11:29:05.250-04:002011-07-22T11:29:05.250-04:00Except, Bubba, sometimes the only thing worse than...Except, Bubba, sometimes the only thing worse than doing war is what happens if you don't do war.DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-61409997114148470002011-07-22T11:23:26.688-04:002011-07-22T11:23:26.688-04:00The Cub Scouts never got as far as DADT...they jus...The Cub Scouts never got as far as DADT...they just said, "NO". ;)Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-86105460725924519902011-07-22T11:18:38.722-04:002011-07-22T11:18:38.722-04:00"Guest", since you don't know URR, y..."Guest", since you don't know URR, you can't possibly know that this is the way he thinks. To the point, it's as good as saying that's what he'd do.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-89426255244967316422011-07-22T10:34:48.639-04:002011-07-22T10:34:48.639-04:00Sorry, thick fingers.
He just got to Oxford and...Sorry, thick fingers. <br /><br />He just got to Oxford and I left the darn book on the bus. I'm waiting for my new copy in the mail, or as Graves would say, "the post."<br /><br />War just pisses me off. We send our best and brightest to get smashed to bits. My grandfather was in France with Pershing; I really had no idea how bad it was. <br /><br />I read <i>I Claudius</i> years ago; I had no idea how good this memoir was. Bubba Bobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-21522136117078835922011-07-22T09:06:14.076-04:002011-07-22T09:06:14.076-04:00<span> If he is wondering about it, he or hi...<span> <i>If he is wondering about it, he or his ISIC have a JAG for counsel.</i></span><br /><br />Sometimes even the JAGs are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Fiscus" rel="nofollow">unclear on the concept</a>.<br /><br />It's a little hard to shed a tear for someone forced to retire at O-6 vice O-8, though.Grumpy Old Hamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47535555652831660912011-07-21T23:31:38.847-04:002011-07-21T23:31:38.847-04:00I see this as a way to ensure any 2 bit JAG can ge...I see this as a way to ensure any 2 bit JAG can get an article 92 conviction for anyone relieved for cause. San Antonio XO's court martial obviously did not have the desired outcomeGuest2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-61253466141070385842011-07-21T23:03:28.994-04:002011-07-21T23:03:28.994-04:00I read in an earlier post about HOOK '91. It ...I read in an earlier post about HOOK '91. It is sad to say my CO "pg 13" will be framed and hang next to my HOOK '91 "pg 13" stating that neither I, MIDN 2/C, nor anyone under my command were at Tailhook. A sad bit of symmetry as I round the final turn and get close to 20. <br /><br /> WWJD - What would Jim (Stockdale) do?Andy Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-34095731598431976472011-07-21T22:58:59.267-04:002011-07-21T22:58:59.267-04:00Andy,
The administrative measure of which you spe...Andy,<br /><br />The administrative measure of which you speak is not the difference between getting retirement benefits, and not getting them. UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-75655997858513041982011-07-21T22:54:27.180-04:002011-07-21T22:54:27.180-04:00Well, not completely true. You can be removed fro...Well, not completely true. You can be removed from the O-6 list which is almost a guarantee for a succesful command tour. The difference between a 20-year O-5 and a 23 year O-6 is a large punishment in terms of retirement pay...and it doesn't require a trial or conviction. Andy Rowannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-2618459190066546082011-07-21T21:35:01.000-04:002011-07-21T21:35:01.000-04:00Without due process, it is, Clarence Darrow.Without due process, it is, Clarence Darrow.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-11176306076667022222011-07-21T21:17:37.118-04:002011-07-21T21:17:37.118-04:00The Cub Scouts never embraced transformation.The Cub Scouts never embraced transformation.Stunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-31261030237750952262011-07-21T21:16:02.276-04:002011-07-21T21:16:02.276-04:00Commodore,
That's the "king has no cloth...Commodore,<br /><br />That's the "king has no clothes" aspect of this whole thing. I can only imagine the leadership patting itself on the back for taking this issue head-on and decisively. Stunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-24406639940379680182011-07-21T20:13:54.417-04:002011-07-21T20:13:54.417-04:00Especially when URR thinks banging the help is equ...Especially when URR thinks banging the help is equivalent to a speeding ticket.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-18748499554727574962011-07-21T19:07:08.997-04:002011-07-21T19:07:08.997-04:00Exactly. A page 13 for this silliness is well... ...Exactly. A page 13 for this silliness is well... silly. If the officer is sneaking around, then he knows he is breaking thr rules. If he has made CO, he should have SOME passing idea of the UCMJ. If he is wondering about it, he or his ISIC have a JAG for counsel. Hell, it is probably posted on his bulkhead somewhere. This is some silly CYA, pseudo mental masturbation from DC. Hey, want to make some page 13s? I can draft a ton of those SOBs that will actually affect budgetary waste fraud and abuse. LT Bnoreply@blogger.com