tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post6779126298399867510..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Too much Curry ... too few heads ...CDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-65663454634492971042010-05-11T10:55:51.000-04:002010-05-11T10:55:51.000-04:00Yessir, that's exactly what I'm saying. Lo...Yessir, that's exactly what I'm saying. Loud, clear and unmistakable to anyone who's ears I can bring into range. The women in submarines issue burns me up so badly because I've seen what goes on in the surface fleet. That loss of order and discipline would be devestating in submarines. It is literally a matter of life and death.sobersubmrnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-9856685795278081352010-05-10T22:27:45.000-04:002010-05-10T22:27:45.000-04:00Sub, you mean the skimmers don't have their ac...Sub, you mean the skimmers don't have their act together wrt females at sea and coed crews?! How can you say that? All the big wigs in DC tell me that there are no issues so it must be so. I mean, w/ Honor, Courage and Commitment being the Navy CORE Values, they would NEVER lie to us. Would they? LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-20843638828011126772010-05-10T21:16:31.000-04:002010-05-10T21:16:31.000-04:00No, training and discipline will suffer due to bio...No, training and discipline will suffer due to biology and PC. When the surface navy gets its act together in that regard, then we can talk about putting females on submarines.sobersubmrnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-399098863041414152010-05-10T09:19:16.000-04:002010-05-10T09:19:16.000-04:00NO. The issue is training and discipline.NO. The issue is training and discipline.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-61437100392624941432010-05-10T09:15:52.000-04:002010-05-10T09:15:52.000-04:00Byron, that's irrelevant. The issue is biology...Byron, that's irrelevant. The issue is biology, not book learning. FYI, they were civilian test engineers. Married, mature, professional women who made a good effort to stay out of the way of the crew. It didn't matter. Biology is a brick wall.sobersubmrnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50032116321209044302010-05-09T09:38:51.000-04:002010-05-09T09:38:51.000-04:00Were they women who had been trained specifially t...Were they women who had been trained specifially to be submariners?Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-20133810745306390272010-05-09T09:19:25.000-04:002010-05-09T09:19:25.000-04:00Sober, why is it not good?Sober, why is it not good?Combat NFOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78701392480745446002010-05-09T08:58:34.000-04:002010-05-09T08:58:34.000-04:00It is a big deal. Our world is not like your world...It is a big deal. Our world is not like your world. What would be a minor problem on a skimmer is magnified many times on the boats. I've already been to sea on a SSN with women for extended periods. This is not good.sobersubmrnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-16493683383313054012010-05-09T08:31:04.000-04:002010-05-09T08:31:04.000-04:00DB, you did an outstanding job. BZ.DB, you did an outstanding job. BZ.sobersubmrnrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-82858968648041717152010-05-09T04:02:38.000-04:002010-05-09T04:02:38.000-04:00BZ to our new submariners ! Good ridence to curry ...BZ to our new submariners ! Good ridence to curry ... he should be booted, if not court martialed, not allowed to resign ! fowler hasn't had the balls to stand up to anyone since he was cowed by the rabid evangelicals over the flag-chapel incident and failed to enforce Code concerning the flag ! Good ridence to him also !USNA Ancientnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-54759030849162825982010-05-08T23:52:05.000-04:002010-05-08T23:52:05.000-04:00I'd tell my daughter(s) that just because you ...I'd tell my daughter(s) that just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something. Most men are reasonably honorable. But being at the bottom of the ocean for lengthy periods in an enclosed space with that many men (mostly overly intelligent men, god bless 'em...), being one of a minimum number of young females... too many things can go wrong...<br /><br />I wrote more, but thought better of it. Just say the older I get... as a mother... the less good some ideas look when it comes to subjecting young women to social experiments. <br /><br />I've written and deleted and rewritten and redeleted... I'll leave it at this. ;)DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29497542566266096022010-05-08T23:45:51.000-04:002010-05-08T23:45:51.000-04:00C-dore,
Agreed, and would add that nine of those ...C-dore,<br /><br />Agreed, and would add that nine of those ten second chances had much more to do with both skin color and football talent than any redeeming quality this misfit might bring to the United States Navy. For which Fowler should have been relieved, and should be forever ashamed. UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-87625044867798743002010-05-08T23:43:05.000-04:002010-05-08T23:43:05.000-04:00"<span>The issue is who can do the job ..."<span>The issue is who can do the job without being a net loss to the crew and Navy."</span><br />-Such high standards for performance.Combat NFOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-80022631596324468182010-05-08T22:07:06.000-04:002010-05-08T22:07:06.000-04:00Anon,
Some advice from someone in your own trench ...Anon,<br />Some advice from someone in your own trench - the 50% argument is lame and not germane. The issue is the number of officer candidates who qualify using objective standards.<br /><br />Equal number of men and women do not have the same percentage of intensity to make the military a career. That is fine. Of those who do - their are additional differences on who wants to go through nuke school. That is fine.<br /><br />The issue is who can do the job without being a net loss to the crew and Navy. Can women do that on a 21st Century submarine? Yes - if the busy bodies and agenda driven personnel will let them - and let leaders lead.cdrsalamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-67135927679598541002010-05-08T21:27:34.000-04:002010-05-08T21:27:34.000-04:00First, looking at the number of college graduates,...First, looking at the number of college graduates, over 50% are women. If we are going to get the best and the brightest in the Navy we can't simply cut out half our candidates.<br /><br />Second, look at your daughter and tell her, "Honey, you can do anything you want in the world except serve on a submarine, because that's a man's job." Then she'll say, "Daddy, we learned in history class that's what they used to tell women to keep them from voting."Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-83277795188406574752010-05-08T18:55:38.000-04:002010-05-08T18:55:38.000-04:00URR, After reading the article in the "Capito...URR, After reading the article in the "Capitol" what I think really happened here was that the coach found out during spring practice that he had two potential slotbacks coming up who wouldn't bring with them all the "drama" that Curry brings. That, and folks may have concluded that Curry wasn't going to opt for more time at USNA anyway. He put a "happy face" on it.<br /><br />As for Fowler, looks like he found out late in his career that there are people who don't deserve a 10th "second chance" and that even an O-9 can be manipulated.C-dore 14noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-37685594337585057062010-05-08T15:27:04.000-04:002010-05-08T15:27:04.000-04:00Not for the first decade. Look at females in avia...Not for the first decade. Look at females in aviation. They were to pass at all costs. One lost her life due to her inability to fly and the Navy's lack of desire to kick her out of the program for poor performance. The same may happen in nuke school until the sensitivity goes away. If they hold the standard and are honest this will be a non issue. People will get punished for dittling each other, etc, but the level of performance/capability will stay high. I forecast that the standards will drop for PC reasons before they finally realize they don't need to do that. By then, though, they will have let in some non-hackers that will eventually change the culture due to political fears from the leadership. If you think one girl of the wrong sort can't change the entire feel on a boat you would be wrong. I've coached men and women and the motivational techniques are different for the most point. There will be issues here and we will ignore them. It happens on ships it will happen on boats. LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-51359359124895178092010-05-08T14:52:53.000-04:002010-05-08T14:52:53.000-04:00Great observation.
We scream out that senior lead...Great observation.<br /><br />We scream out that senior leaders don't listen to those standing on the deckplates. Maybe we should listen when those sailors talk.<br /><br />This might be more about teaching old dogs new tricks. This is nothing more than an additional leadership challenge. Many might not like the decision but the decision has been made. So, the choices are clear: sit down, shut up and color; or if this decision upsets your personal core values, beliefs, or whatever you live by, then vote with your feet, there's the door.<br /><br />Remember we defend democracy, we don't practice it.Redeye80noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-79483444111127338892010-05-08T14:36:39.000-04:002010-05-08T14:36:39.000-04:00It won't be a big deal. There is 11 women goi...It won't be a big deal. There is 11 women going to Subs? Say, 9 of those will make it through nuke school? Of those 9, one may cry fowl of anything on a sub? <br /><br />It won't be that bad, as it is nothing remarkable either. A long time ago all the good 'firsts' were done. All that is left is not anything remarkable. The Navy is pushing the news on this because, well, it must be because of who our SECNAV is. This just seems like something he feels good about doing. Will it hurt our Navy? No. Will it greatly improve our Navy? No. It just is something different, the illusion of one last glass barrier being removed for them. <br /><br />They're just women. No big deal.YNSNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-67025875485895754682010-05-08T13:58:05.000-04:002010-05-08T13:58:05.000-04:00over the first 5 years, the females won't be a...over the first 5 years, the females won't be allowed to be kicked off the boat for being dink in sub quals, and shortly after that indoc period, we will have the first female screaming about discrimination as the reason she got booted. sad.speknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59565924800562885272010-05-08T12:45:43.000-04:002010-05-08T12:45:43.000-04:00LtB, from what I know of the silent service, there...LtB, from what I know of the silent service, there is little room for error at the bottom of the sea and the standards are rigorous and there is a screening for the type of personality that can coexist in confined spaces for long periods of time. Is there any hope that those standards will weed out the kind of females that would bring "change in culture" to the submarines? Maybe the nonsense will self-select itself out of the picture?DeltaBravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-21063560006051450872010-05-08T12:36:49.000-04:002010-05-08T12:36:49.000-04:00Hey Vigilis, how could I have commented on the art...Hey Vigilis, how could I have commented on the article without following the link?Combat NFOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-60125137103770391522010-05-08T12:35:11.000-04:002010-05-08T12:35:11.000-04:00Um, I think I said it's just the standard advi...Um, I think I said it's just the standard advice that submarine leaders get. Thanks for taking the opportunity to express your disappointment with my post.... that you agree with. I appreciate your constructive addition to the conversation.Combat NFOnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-58511816114152897342010-05-08T11:29:13.000-04:002010-05-08T11:29:13.000-04:00Timing is everything? Isn't the VADM in essenc...Timing is everything? Isn't the VADM in essence a lame duck now? YNSNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-4138776903236003162010-05-08T09:54:11.000-04:002010-05-08T09:54:11.000-04:00Err, yes, as a matter of fact it is. The same advi...Err, yes, as a matter of fact it is. The same advice was given over at the USNI blog to Mr Withington as he gets ready to head out to nuke school.<br /><br />I realize you have dedicated yourself to being offended at all times and by all things, but do try to do so with at least some intelligence. Your performance of late has been very disappointing - if you want to join Maggie and Skippy in the big leagues, you need to get yourself out of single-A ball...Aubreynoreply@blogger.com