tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post3668839749798672968..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: The ongoing false-spin about LCSCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger128125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-91558308210167235902011-08-24T18:29:04.098-04:002011-08-24T18:29:04.098-04:00Join the movement on Facebook "Sink the LCS&...Join the movement on Facebook "Sink the LCS" Feel free to add thoughful and factual contentBigRicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-85279503653980243292011-08-03T20:56:20.440-04:002011-08-03T20:56:20.440-04:00... and if you're shooting 12.7mm, you just wa...... and if you're shooting 12.7mm, you just walk the tracers.LT Rustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-56649262039135491642011-07-12T00:39:38.655-04:002011-07-12T00:39:38.655-04:00Make no mistake I an very cynical of LCS value, I ...Make no mistake I an very cynical of LCS value, I just understand the realities, the Navy has contracted for the ships and will have to live with that for better or for worse.leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-2885857368967850872011-07-12T00:37:49.424-04:002011-07-12T00:37:49.424-04:00Byron,
the problem with ship selection starts with...Byron,<br />the problem with ship selection starts with rqmts definition, IF NAVSEA did that wrong and the shipbuilder built to the Navy's rqmts, then whose fault is it? Or put another way if something is NOT in the contract, don't expect it to be added because the contractor knows better. Congress, admirals etc don't usually write/read contracts so I don't blame them (too much).<br /><br />The facts are that Westpac Express has been operating sucessfully in its transport role for over ten years now AND that it has a CPS installed. With no reported corrosion problems. We do not not know why that was omitted on LCS-2, but it looks like its being retrofitted in 2&4 and is baseline in -6 onward.<br /><br />I guess the USN is going to have to find out first hand how well AL works out because we are stuck with 14 LCS for now. All metals corrode to one extent or another in a marine environment.leeseanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-7387542811520386662011-07-09T12:45:15.442-04:002011-07-09T12:45:15.442-04:00Sorry Grandpa, the lightbulb on your context lit a...Sorry Grandpa, the lightbulb on your context lit a little after I had hit the reply button...But I kinda figured it was fair point on its own.<br /><br />And yes, the lytorhals are complicated..,sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50015602345805448672011-07-09T12:36:18.458-04:002011-07-09T12:36:18.458-04:00Sid: I was speaking of lowering the self noise of...Sid: I was speaking of lowering the self noise of the LCS, not the radiated noise of the submarine, or the environmental noise due to the trawlers, seiners, junks, dhows, walla-walla's, and etc. Then there are biologics, surf, rain, and sea state noise. Some time we should just review the effect of the passive and active sonar equations on detectibility and torpedo settings, and general tactics. <br /><br />Just not today.<br /><br />A shallow water corvette without a hull mounted sonar is correctly refered to as a "gunboat".<br /><br />Them lytorhrals shore are complerkated, ain't they.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-66265578505431778502011-07-09T12:16:57.674-04:002011-07-09T12:16:57.674-04:00<span><span>Sound isolated diesels don...<span><i><span>Sound isolated diesels don't come cheap. Jes sayin'.</span></i> <br /> <br />Quite so...<a href="http://www.svsarah.com/Non-Sailing/Images/Fishing%20Fleet.JPG" rel="nofollow">But if you are dealing with this kind of ambient environment</a>, it'd be hard to find a boat that didn't have it anyway.</span>sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-2771890877274112402011-07-09T12:02:50.333-04:002011-07-09T12:02:50.333-04:00<span>Oh...and Retired's comments about ...<span>Oh...and Retired's comments about self-radiated noise too. <br /> <br />Then ask Grandpa about how loud the bell would ring <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMnMb_rkt5I" rel="nofollow">when the old Soviet Alphas would</a> -on the rare occasion because they were usually broke- go buster out in the Atlantic. <br /> <br />That latter being another expensive mistake sacrificed at the Altar of Stupid Speed</span>sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29703637142456750852011-07-09T11:54:09.280-04:002011-07-09T11:54:09.280-04:00<span> perhaps the best use of the Firescou...<span> <i>perhaps the best use of the Firescouts is to keep them in the air to provide overwatch and comm relay incase something else shows up and to provide communication and coordination with other ships doing ASW.</i></span><br /><br />A. What about EMCON? Nothing like saying I'm, HEERE!...I'm Over HEEEERE NOW!<br /><br />B. See Retired's comments on how much -little- fuel these ships carry.sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-33606625285971225142011-07-09T11:04:38.227-04:002011-07-09T11:04:38.227-04:00That cracks me up every time I read it. They obvi...That cracks me up every time I read it. They obviously do not have a command environment that encourages hard questions. Talk to any aviator or a ground pounder about the difference between shooting at at 30kt vice a 40kt target and you'll get a nice giggle. <br /><br />10kts is a rounding error for someone shooting anything greater than 12.7mm or any missile - guided or unguided.<br /><br />Self delusion will get you killed every time.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14007025337165176182011-07-09T11:01:36.556-04:002011-07-09T11:01:36.556-04:00FCC,
Let's talk about that some. Why was she ...FCC,<br />Let's talk about that some. Why was she ready for mothballs? I think you started that with the comment about "let's pretend" yard periods.<br /><br />Combine that with lack of preservation work by ship's company and just plain bad maintenance theories (see what happened to the SPRUCANS) - and we have a self fulfilling prophacy. <br /><br />If you're interested in putting together a guest post on your experiences, kind of a "Top 5 Reasons we made our own bed" - drop me an email.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-32995858751572121632011-07-09T10:14:50.058-04:002011-07-09T10:14:50.058-04:00I stayed out of this one b/c the subj. FFG is USS ...I stayed out of this one b/c the subj. FFG is USS Lastship. I can candidly say, though, that particular ship was ready for mothballs. Six deployments in five years, punctuated by "let's pretend" yard periods (usually 3-6 week CMAVs) had a debilitating effect upon morale and, by extension, material condition. <br /><br />OBTW, this was also the ship that had the Christie recruiting poster removed from the CPO Mess for being sexist.FCCnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-30698183788492117122011-07-09T10:10:52.915-04:002011-07-09T10:10:52.915-04:00Nope, first phrase first sentence, just didn't...Nope, first phrase first sentence, just didn't list the ratings, to wit: MR, ML, OM, GMM, GMG, TM (yeah, I know, and nonsense on the face of it) MM, EN, DK, FTG, STG, ETN, EM, IC.<br />Managed by NEC and a dying breed. Some of the ratings doubtless consolidated out of existance.<br /><br />Then there are the Cox'ns, Boat Engineers, Riggers and Splicers, Industrial Hygienist's (specialist group inside the Medical Service Corps) assistants and other specialists never favored with an NEC, but vital to the IMA.<br /><br />And the MA's and PC's. Unloved, but try to run a tender without 'em.<br /><br />'Taint an easy ship to man or deploy or work.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-40644820821373497552011-07-08T23:22:40.272-04:002011-07-08T23:22:40.272-04:00you forgot MR's.
cyou forgot MR's.<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-86333442424839193972011-07-08T22:38:33.574-04:002011-07-08T22:38:33.574-04:00Sound isolated diesels don't come cheap. Jes ...Sound isolated diesels don't come cheap. Jes sayin'.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-71595229143839250402011-07-08T22:22:03.960-04:002011-07-08T22:22:03.960-04:00Hrmph. Dead meat to any reasonably competent subm...Hrmph. Dead meat to any reasonably competent submarine CO shooting any torpedo from any boat extant. Ever heard of the General Belgrano?<br /><br />Why don't they ask somebody from the Submarine Heavyweight Torpedo Project Office who has had submarine command before they bet the ranch on utter nonsense.<br /><br />Left hand, left hand this is right hand, right hand, come in please. Please? Pretty please?Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-84132605434850076042011-07-08T18:13:16.015-04:002011-07-08T18:13:16.015-04:00NAVSEA shut down their lINk..
<span>But ...NAVSEA shut down their l<strong>IN</strong>k.. <br /> <br /><a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/rep/WDR/index.html" rel="nofollow"><span>But feel free to browse through these samples. </span></a><br /><br />In particular, check out the discussions in the Franklin kamikaze attack report (not the later catastrophic conflagration from the bomb hit), about the problems with aluminum in the gallery decks...Things like how the aluminum ladders and light locks were too easily destroyed which blocked access and egress.sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-1851771019621885212011-07-08T17:59:50.514-04:002011-07-08T17:59:50.514-04:00Sid,
Last rumor I heard on the flight line said i...Sid,<br /><br />Last rumor I heard on the flight line said it wasn't working so well for the towable sled and the MH-60 mating. Something about the stress on the VX bird has either heavily damaging the developed "bolt-on" tow kit or it has actually pulled panels from the aircraft. Along with putting the aircraft in an unnatural Angle of Attack to be flying that low and slow enough for the sled to do its voodoo. So the rumor is NavSea is looking around for a redesign of the sled to be lighter and smaller. Meanwhile there are those in the V-22 office potentially scribbing notes on thier napkins about whether that bird can pick up the slack. Hmm, could a V-22 fit on the LCS????SouthernAPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-39945915186797943092011-07-08T17:36:06.371-04:002011-07-08T17:36:06.371-04:00First, Lee, I dont build ships at my company...we ...First, Lee, I dont build ships at my company...we just fix design mistakes and poor maintainance. Second, it ain't a done deal, or wouldn't if the Navy, DoD and Congress had the good sense that God gave a gnat. Last, if Austal has done so well with their fast ferries that you seem to be in love with, then why haven't they had this corrosion problem? Is it because someone either a) sold the taxpayers a bill of goods or b) some blithering idiot at NAVSEA decided to cut corners to get the end price down.<br /><br />Now, as someone who has spent a lot of time hacking out rotted and cracked aluminum, I will say it again:<br /><br />ALUMINUM SUCKS FOR SHIPS, ESPECIALLY SHIPS OF WAR.Byronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-55921020961544185742011-07-08T15:12:31.110-04:002011-07-08T15:12:31.110-04:00keep in mind that BIW must follow orders. if they ...keep in mind that BIW must follow orders. if they are given a certain amount of leeway then they will thunder along in their ususal fashion but will at least have the opportunity to "really star".<br /><br />if they receive orders to be stupid they have no choice in the matter.<br /><br />perhaps we should look at the orders they were given.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-18417581587799255432011-07-08T15:09:29.126-04:002011-07-08T15:09:29.126-04:00remember we would have to negotaiate that treaty w...remember we would have to negotaiate that treaty with canada about stationing warships on the great lakes.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-6800830233023357452011-07-08T15:00:31.227-04:002011-07-08T15:00:31.227-04:00as i remember those boats at sisuin bay were suppo...as i remember those boats at sisuin bay were supposed to be 30 day activations. but when we actually tried to do that during nam it was more like three months.<br /><br />do you guys really think that the next one will last 6 months (3months for reactivation, one month for loading, one month for steaming to the scene and one month for "slippage goat f$%ks".<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-36113580064950504712011-07-08T14:51:10.107-04:002011-07-08T14:51:10.107-04:00They can patrol Lake Champlain for any holdout Red...They can patrol Lake Champlain for any holdout Redcoats or sump'n.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-53738875980147259242011-07-08T14:50:08.364-04:002011-07-08T14:50:08.364-04:00My Mom in a Boston Whaler can find floaters. Does...My Mom in a Boston Whaler can find floaters. Doesn't count. That isn't mine sweeping - that is haveing and effective lookout doctrine.CDR Salamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-72852568698120549662011-07-08T14:48:13.909-04:002011-07-08T14:48:13.909-04:00perhaps this is a feeble attempt to avoid the invi...perhaps this is a feeble attempt to avoid the invietable questions at the "O club" of "Just what the hell were you guys thinking when you did ........... on lcs."<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.com