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NASS appears to attract a lot of smart, cross-country-runner types from all over the country that have a lot of options with respect to college. One might call many of them preppie. Some would call them disproportionately upper class and/or white. The NASS demographics certainly don't seem to mirror the diversity-driven demographics in the plebe classes of recent vintage. And since USNA has virtually complete control over the demographics of NASS, that should be surprising.<br /><br />Another gem hidden in your story is that you were accepted for the following USNA class. Some would argue that it is exceptionally hard for qualified white male candidates to get an appointment. To do so, you have to really stand out so that your performance is at a level for consideration for an appointment by a Senator from your home state, as opposed to a Representative. As a result, some of these qualified-but-not-appointed white male candidates attend a year of college and then reapply, often getting in. Thus, the current system effectively appears to make many qualified white male candidates apply twice (including spending a year in college) in order to receive the same consideration that a non-white-male candidate receives for meeting a lower "qualification" standard.QSPNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-62435199151440351652011-12-19T12:34:56.033-05:002011-12-19T12:34:56.033-05:00(and the truth)(and the truth)I?TFPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-81971605410026550892011-12-19T11:58:10.427-05:002011-12-19T11:58:10.427-05:00It's like the standard DoD budgetary process.....It's like the standard DoD budgetary process...everyone needs their piece of the pie. You better be able to inlfate your mission completion and your fit rep if you want to keep your program. (i.e. someone needs to edit the flight schedule because if the flight was never scheduled, then it couldn't have been incomplete.) But can the same bloated process work in the world of college admissions? It's an epic battle of DoD vs. Academia...and all of those Navy spokepersons can't write bc they were in trucker english, not Fleming's english. So there is a lot of explaining to do but who is going to do it? Looks like Fleming's is a clear victory. The pen is mightier.I?TFPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-61091727873942454962011-12-19T11:25:01.191-05:002011-12-19T11:25:01.191-05:00Couldn't agree more with having more senior O-...Couldn't agree more with having more senior O-3's and O-4's in the hall. It WAS awkward to have girlfriends brought to functions that might as well have been dating the mids (sometimes it ended up that way). My company officer was good at EXACTLY the same things yours was...all 3 of them. He was so nervous that he stumbled over his own shadow. And he had no long-term experience with sailors to think of any way to fix problems besides securing liberty. He could only react to issues, not prevent them. He was one of my best examples of what not to be. There were a lot of those.I?TFPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-53595987314711667372011-12-19T11:14:58.742-05:002011-12-19T11:14:58.742-05:00I completed NASS in 2000. I wasn't accepted a...I completed NASS in 2000. I wasn't accepted and later found that only 2 of the 12 guys/gals in my group accepted appointments. I was accepted for the following class and went on to see the same trend when my classmates were NASS detailors...less than half of their kids ever raised their right hands. But the best information I have comes from my time on plebe summer detail. Less than a quarter of the kids in my platoon had gone to NASS. So, I'm not sure if it's a successful tool for attracting better candidates who accept appointments, or a successful tool for sending better candidates running for the hills and making more room for minorities and others who sure can fluff the feel-good quota. But all of those fleeing NASS attendees who are considered applicants can then be used to boost the average scores of the typical USNA applicant...even though in reality they completed applications to Yale, U Penn and other such schools.I?TFPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-92053506783651654532011-12-17T01:15:01.366-05:002011-12-17T01:15:01.366-05:00I have not been there in several years, and it doe...I have not been there in several years, and it does not sound as if it has embraced Navy Core Values any more now than it did when I was teaching there. After about a year there, I was rather unhappy with the way things worked there. After 2 yrs, I was disgusted with the place.LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46053792717487326602011-12-16T18:42:26.927-05:002011-12-16T18:42:26.927-05:00Excuse the typo. 21/246= 8.5%Excuse the typo. 21/246= 8.5%formermidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-23381706725997185292011-12-16T17:41:53.452-05:002011-12-16T17:41:53.452-05:00You're saying that unqualified applicants don&...You're saying that unqualified applicants don't apply? Fascinating logic! If they didn't apply how were they disqualified?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-66097494437744348712011-12-16T17:39:40.407-05:002011-12-16T17:39:40.407-05:00LT B, Why do you work at an institution that you h...LT B, Why do you work at an institution that you have such a low opinion of? Can't do better?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-26790584194724908852011-12-16T17:38:18.825-05:002011-12-16T17:38:18.825-05:00My QPR is good enough to know that your statement ...My QPR is good enough to know that your statement is impossible, let alone implausable. If the middle are doing just enough to get by, the bottom aren't doing enough to get by, they wouldn't be there. Just analyzing your ACTUAL content.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-15307187872232050122011-12-16T17:01:18.690-05:002011-12-16T17:01:18.690-05:00The admirals are to buisy politicing and sucking u...The admirals are to buisy politicing and sucking up to the diversity zars to think about either accountability, war fighting or honor......sorry.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-90743697615533976112011-12-16T15:32:05.168-05:002011-12-16T15:32:05.168-05:00I would love to see the Superintendent restore som...I would love to see the Superintendent restore some teeth to the NAPS curriculum. If he wants to raise the academic standards at USNA, he would need to do so at NAPS as well or many of the NAPSters would find it even more difficult to stay afloat academically at USNA.<br /><br />In that vein, it is my impression that the vast majority of academic problems plebe year at USNA start with chemistry because everyone's got to take it, the course is tough, and it's extremely time consuming due to the lab work. NAPSters should get a heavy dose of a serious Chemistry course. Ditto math/Calculus (some need a heavy dose of Algebra first) and English (a hat tip to the Haverford crowd since mids generally struggle with that subject, too).<br /><br />Even if the only academic subjects NAPSters studied were math/Calculus, Chemistry, and English, they would be way ahead of where they are now (assuming those courses were taken seriously by the NAPS administration, faculty, and NAPSters). And if a NAPSter can't hack the academics at NAPS, then don't bother offering that individual an appointment.QSPNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-11962888577993789712011-12-16T14:58:17.534-05:002011-12-16T14:58:17.534-05:00Defensible, but still pretty sad. I suppose it'...Defensible, but still pretty sad. I suppose it's not the last time that someone will manipulate numbers/statistics to get them to say what they want, though.<br /><br />As for NAPS' purpose/prior-enlisted representation at NAPS/USNA...you can draw your own conclusions based on the numbers.<br /><br />21/246= 3.7% of the NAPS class last year were prior-enlisted.<br />(21+25+16)/1229=5.04% of USNA 2015 is prior-enlisted (number drops to 3.7% if you take out the 16 Nukes)<br /><br />Source: http://www.usna.edu/Admissions/USNA%202015%20Class%20Portrait.pdfformermidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46572767804878797302011-12-16T12:42:06.957-05:002011-12-16T12:42:06.957-05:00I don't have access to percentage statistics r...I don't have access to percentage statistics regarding USNA Summer Seminar students, but I suspect the real number that attend USNA (not just get offered an appointment) is significantly less than 75%, and it may be less than 50%. Some of those students actually go to USMA or USAFA, but many don't end up going to a Service Academy at all. Whether you consider such an attendance percentage "high" or "surprisingly low" may depend on your perspective. Whether USNA publicly releases a number that can be believed is another story more germane to this thread.<br /><br />NAPS used to be a place to "brush up" on academics. Its curriculum was similar to that of plebe year so NAPSters could get a first look at material they would run into again upon arriving at USNA. However, any substantial rigor in the academic program at NAPS was effectively eviscerated, so that is no longer the case. Now NAPS appears to be little more than a holding pattern--during which NAPSters get paid quite of bit of money--until they get their virtually automatic appointment to USNA the following year. How virtually automatic you might ask? Well, as shown by a 2009 graduate of USNA, you don't even have to pass the watered-down curriculum at NAPS to get an appointment. How special is that?QSPNnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-45579595289458899142011-12-16T12:37:27.430-05:002011-12-16T12:37:27.430-05:00Grad,
Thanks for the link. I think this is the mo...Grad,<br />Thanks for the link. I think this is the money quote, "<span>The Naval Academy considers an individual to be an applicant when they submit information which allows USNA admissions officials to take any of the following actionable steps: offer admission, decline admission, place on a waiting list for further consideration, or acknowledge withdrawal of application by the individual. This is consistent with the Common Data Set definition of an applicant.</span><br /><span><br /><p>All Naval Academy Summer Seminar applicants are advised that their application to Summer Seminar is additionally considered as an official application for admission to the Naval Academy. Summer Seminar applicants can request that they not be considered for admission to the Naval Academy.<br /></p></span><br /><span>The Common Data Set does not equate "fulfilling the requirements to be considered for admission" with completing each and every application step. Like other universities, USNA considers an individual to be an applicant when they have completed enough of the admissions process for USNA to take "actionable steps" as defined by the Common Data Set."</span>" Sounds like we're in the fuzzy middle where both sides of the argument are, in a fashion, correct. Sea Lawyer'y ... but correct. cdrsalamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-7785735559295824482011-12-16T11:51:47.365-05:002011-12-16T11:51:47.365-05:00LoL to drawing FBDs, I graduate with an aero degre...LoL to drawing FBDs, I graduate with an aero degree this weekend and all I see now when I look at the world around me is a series of equivalent force systems.WCOGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-35147922199190771232011-12-16T11:50:39.659-05:002011-12-16T11:50:39.659-05:00<span>Applicants to Summer Seminar are only ...<span>Applicants to Summer Seminar are only counted for the year in which they were first eligible to to enter - they are only counted once. The same applicant to Summer Seminar does not get counted year after year. Actually a high perecentage of Summer Seminar attendees are offered an appointment. It has been one of the most successful tools to attract students who are genuinely interested in USNA and on I-Day have a better sense of what they're undertaking. If anything, the experience discourages other applicants from continuing the entire application and nomination process for something which isn't their cup of tea. Summer Seminar isn't the problem here. USNA's application counting methodology has been in place for some time, well before Summer Seminar became a popular admissions program.</span><br /><span> </span><br /><span>At the end of the day, I think our discussions have focused on a relatively meaningless stat: applications. I have heard the current supe talk to us alumni how he believes applications are only an indicator of interest, and that he wants to increase the number of qualified candidates. That's where USNA's selectivity should come into play and he apparently says that's where USNA needs to focus next. I have to agree. It's that crunch between fully qualified and offers of appointment where USNA can sleep at night knowing it chose the best young men and women to become the next generation of leaders. What has not been successfully explained for many is why USNA leaves so many qualified candidates on the table each year who could be admitted directly to USNA, but instead decides to send less qualified to NAPS.<span> </span>And unlike what many of us alumni thought, not very many of those sent to NAPS are prior enlisted who I think many would agree would make good officers, but just need some academic brushing up. USNA will tout NAPS prior enlisted examples, but they are the exception, not the rule. Several of those sent to NAPS and passed over more qualified applicants are apparently sent for other motives.</span>USNA gradnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-79553523154067432412011-12-16T11:43:02.942-05:002011-12-16T11:43:02.942-05:00Well, there is that whole "tasty waves" ...Well, there is that whole "tasty waves" thing...Grumpy Old Hamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-75736887904701967782011-12-16T11:21:49.285-05:002011-12-16T11:21:49.285-05:00You had me - I was screaming Gun decked PQS at abo...You had me - I was screaming Gun decked PQS at about the same time you stated it -<br /><br />Does Adm Greenert have the cajones to haul each academy supe for the last 20 years to mast for a 100 dollar fine and public rebuke? Not to mention the cost of getting new pants - we all put a few pounds on when there is no more PRT...<br /><br />Put a little ethics and accountability BACK into leadership -<br />How do you take SN Timmy to mast for gundecking PQS or PMS if the 4 stripers and 1 stars clearly gundeck everything at the academy.Mark Tnoreply@blogger.com