tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post3405255475570291181..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: RAID!CDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-84133678247840501512012-02-03T20:04:18.640-05:002012-02-03T20:04:18.640-05:00The Powell Doctrine was basically a response to Vi...The Powell Doctrine was basically a response to Vietnam and the Gulf War. Bring enough guns, be prepared to kill, have an end state, get out. Unfortunately, he the the politicians did not let us kill more in GW1. They saw the pictures of the cars on the highway on CNN and got all soft and gooey inside. Worried about public opinion and let the Republican Guard stay in tact.LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-36811483783399839782012-02-03T17:14:25.123-05:002012-02-03T17:14:25.123-05:00Juan,
IIRC, the Powell Doctrine is "Overwhelm...Juan,<br />IIRC, the Powell Doctrine is "Overwhelming force, overwhelmingly applied." If you roll in with such an overwhelming amount of everything, combat, and therefore your casualties and civilian losses, is over that much quicker. Something his successors and their civilian "less is more," "rightsizing" and "revolution in military affairs" masters completely disregarded at the peril of the troops in contact.Andynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-22640035794307118132012-02-03T16:41:10.298-05:002012-02-03T16:41:10.298-05:00Too bad the Marines didn't just buy the H-60 i...Too bad the Marines didn't just buy the H-60 instead of the UH-1Y.xbradtcnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-61831737973094594672012-02-03T16:40:16.467-05:002012-02-03T16:40:16.467-05:00Such a quotable man, Chaos is. You should have br...Such a quotable man, Chaos is. You should have brought the whole quote though, URR ... the rest of it is what makes that one so great.LT Rustynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-18537924221455051042012-02-03T15:38:39.669-05:002012-02-03T15:38:39.669-05:00This one would have been more appropriate...<a href="http://weaselzippers.us/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/barack-obama-nobel-prize_399x624.jpg" rel="nofollow"><strong>This one would have been more appropriate</strong></a>...sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-25432055546837746292012-02-03T09:45:56.055-05:002012-02-03T09:45:56.055-05:00Let's not forget that it was Taft's role i...Let's not forget that it was Taft's role in creating a legitimate basis for government in the Philippines combined with Pershing/MacArthur's tactics that finally pacified that rebellion. There is a time and place for ruthlessness, but not in all circumstances. <br /><br />Separately, I love URR's reference to Mattis' quote up there. Everything I've ever heard about Gen. Mattis is so awesome, it sometimes makes me wish I was a Jarhead too.TheMightyQnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-82274712967084770862012-02-03T09:19:55.955-05:002012-02-03T09:19:55.955-05:00The problem with "nation re-building" is...The problem with "nation re-building" is that you can't fix everybody. Some cultures just, well, suck. And they will continue to suck no matter how much we pour into it. Far easier to just punch them until they stop annoying us and go back to abusing their women and eating grass or whatever.<br /><br />For example: pirates and related crap in Somalia. We're not going to fix that. Not without basically recolonizing the place permanently. Easier to apply enough naked force to make them go away, or at least become more cognizant of which flag a ship is flying before making a run at it.<br />Could be a selling point then for ships to fly a US flag again. "Sign up for our flag! People are afraid of us."Spadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-43441481366274272062012-02-03T09:15:17.672-05:002012-02-03T09:15:17.672-05:00Custer acted stupidly. If you don't act stupid...Custer acted stupidly. If you don't act stupidly, even a raid gone wrong can come out okay. For example: Battle of the Black Sea. Raid went wrong, objective still achieved, massive casualties inflicted on the opposition. And if you're raiding from the sea with the major goal of simply breaking stuff and maybe grabbing some folks then you probably can dispense with much of the political crap that turned Mogadishu pyrrhic.Spadenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-47550931429408235292012-02-03T08:01:43.633-05:002012-02-03T08:01:43.633-05:00Funny thing is this appraoch leads to fewer casual...Funny thing is this appraoch leads to fewer casualties, despite the usual goo-goos getting the vapors.butchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-4346340192226140572012-02-03T07:59:59.402-05:002012-02-03T07:59:59.402-05:00Totally agree, but the 1st sentence of your second...Totally agree, but the 1st sentence of your second paragraph is negated by the last sentence.<br /><br />This method has worked in the past, but we are too sensitive and evolved to use it now.butchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-61371482778283448382012-02-03T07:53:29.774-05:002012-02-03T07:53:29.774-05:00I like the implied philosophy of "No Greater ...I like the implied philosophy of "No Greater Friend, No Greater Enemy".<br /><br />If you want to be our friend, excellent. We love selling levis, movies, and hamburgers to our friends.<br /><br />On the other hand, if you want to threaten us, do not take our kindness and benevolent approach to life as weakness. We will F**K with you when sufficiently roused to anger.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-78027460953571375422012-02-03T04:36:26.033-05:002012-02-03T04:36:26.033-05:00Yes, just think back 120 years or so. The Somalia ...Yes, just think back 120 years or so. The Somalia piracy problem would have been ended quite early by a single armored cruiser from any Western Navy. Its numerous crew (with marine detachment and significant "infantry" training and equipment even for the sailors) would have surrounded and invaded one or two, or even half a dozen, "suspected pirate villages" which could have been the base for the pirates (for punitive purposes you don't need to be fuzzy with identification) in conjunction with a flattening artillery bombardment. Any "military age male" would have been a target and there wouldn't have been any "collateral damage" since any and all damage and even deaths among the targeted population would have been part of the punitive terror message.<br /><br />Not I that would fully condone doing exactly the same today but in part we should. For instance, a fishing village from which pirates also operate should get a visit from attack helicopters, using cannons and FFAR's to shred any and all boats in the harbor or on the beach with no differentiation between "fishing" and "pirate" skiffs. Ports that are hotbeds of pirate activity should be the focus of targetted attacks upon any of its infrastructure that COULD be of use to pirates. If a community "harbors" pirates it should bear consequences.TBRnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49776715067195453412012-02-03T03:52:02.817-05:002012-02-03T03:52:02.817-05:00He didn't even bring up the most recent raid (...He didn't even bring up the most recent raid (granted labled under Tactical Recovery of Aircraft and Personnel aka TRAP) the recovering of the F-15 pilots in Libya... Use of MV-22, CH-53's, and AV-8's providing air support hundreds of miles inland in no mans land...all off the same amphib. Company of Recon Marines, few EOD Techs, a few DOCs, and a CCT's... put them on any bird and things will get done.Dannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-39094660531467335302012-02-03T02:03:01.928-05:002012-02-03T02:03:01.928-05:00AragornAnd yet less thanks have we than you. Trave...<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragorn" rel="nofollow">Aragorn</a>And yet less thanks have we than you. Travellers scowl at us, and countrymen give us scornful names. 'Strider' I am to one fat man who lives within a day's march of foes that would freeze his heart or lay his little town in ruin, if he were not guarded ceaselessly. Yet we would not have it otherwise. If simple folk are free from care and fear, simple they will be, and we must be kept secret to keep them so.ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-86848789048493785102012-02-03T01:59:52.711-05:002012-02-03T01:59:52.711-05:00Just remember, raids gone wrong = whole lotta casu...Just remember, raids gone wrong = whole lotta casualties. Ask Custer...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-24861411833444883262012-02-03T01:58:35.454-05:002012-02-03T01:58:35.454-05:00<span>"Threaten us, and we will break a...<span>"Threaten us, and we will break and kill. Don't want to be dead, or have your stuff broken? Don't threaten us. We pay for nothing except the fuel and munitions." is good for a small-time street gangster, not for a nation that champions democracy and human rights...</span><br />US greatest success of XX century, containment and eventual disappearance of Soviet Union was achieved with nation re-building - in both Europe and Asia, with Korea showing even a third world country with rampant coruption and lack of modern statehood tradition might eventually break out into successful democracy. I am pretty sure had US not abandoned S.Vietnam it would be well on its way to similar outcome.ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-31231238876701231292012-02-02T22:03:44.870-05:002012-02-02T22:03:44.870-05:00Yeah, it is a personality flaw, Sal.
"You b...Yeah, it is a personality flaw, Sal. <br /><br />"You break it, you bought it" is fine for an eight year old in Wal Mart. <br /><br />More appropriate will be "Threaten us, and we will break and kill. Don't want to be dead, or have your stuff broken? Don't threaten us. We pay for nothing except the fuel and munitions."UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-37802663160511271112012-02-02T21:40:40.824-05:002012-02-02T21:40:40.824-05:00More Cowbell baby!More Cowbell baby!MR T's Haircutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-13186064873706191902012-02-02T21:28:08.035-05:002012-02-02T21:28:08.035-05:00Sigh. I still have a weak spot for General Powel. ...Sigh. I still have a weak spot for General Powel. I agree with you on the "you break it, you bought it" - and I am not happy with his cover of Armitage and his last minute endorsement of Obama ... but I still hold my fire on Powell. I still respect the man too much. I'd like to ping on him ... but I can't. A personality fault on my part I guess.cdrsalamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-69762173468154820242012-02-02T21:27:34.664-05:002012-02-02T21:27:34.664-05:00Excellent and relevant post! Many thanks for shari...Excellent and relevant post! Many thanks for sharing!J.Scott Shipmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-48262224564214465812012-02-02T21:25:42.869-05:002012-02-02T21:25:42.869-05:00The military version of "more cowbell" s...The military version of "more cowbell" should be "more Pershing." As in, "You know what the Somali pirates need? More Pershing!" cdrsalamandernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-36087495290918273322012-02-02T21:12:53.072-05:002012-02-02T21:12:53.072-05:00Nice mention of the MH-60S. Too bad the Navy doesn...Nice mention of the MH-60S. Too bad the Navy doesn't fully realize that platform's capabilities...Avi8tornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-39864890248979972832012-02-02T20:42:52.152-05:002012-02-02T20:42:52.152-05:00I thought your picture was going to be Mullen. :)...I thought your picture was going to be Mullen. :)LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14698422278676868972012-02-02T20:42:13.043-05:002012-02-02T20:42:13.043-05:00I thought your picture was going to be Mullen. :)...I thought your picture was going to be Mullen. :)LT Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50239026885878705292012-02-02T20:37:00.244-05:002012-02-02T20:37:00.244-05:00I love this idea.I love this idea.Spadenoreply@blogger.com