tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post3354590307024010740..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Firescout, UAS/V and their dirty little secretCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-396288581036195782011-06-30T14:31:34.000-04:002011-06-30T14:31:34.000-04:00Thank you for Thursdays depressive episode. Looki...Thank you for Thursdays depressive episode. Looking forward to Friday's morning lift of the spirits. Make it good, for the glorious 4th follows.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-12494140655674407032011-06-30T07:48:21.000-04:002011-06-30T07:48:21.000-04:00<span><span>Even in the best case, you...<i><span><span>Even in the best case, you will probably not finish the mission for that sortie.</span></span></i><br /><br />Loss of signal results in a mission kill, not a hard kill. OK, that's not quite as bad as losing the bird, but it still means Red doesn't have a warhead on his forehead and lives to fight at least another day...Grumpy Old Hamnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14177361158902988922011-06-29T22:14:37.000-04:002011-06-29T22:14:37.000-04:00You are forgetting one of the all time classics wh...You are forgetting one of the all time classics where a drone did get the better of a pair of F-89's (http://steeljawscribe.com/2007/08/28/chronicles-of-naval-aviation-the-battle-of-palmdale)<br />'course they were USAF fighters... ;)steeljawscribenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-39462594149580279872011-06-29T22:07:29.000-04:002011-06-29T22:07:29.000-04:00K-ships didn't have the performance. The M-sh...K-ships didn't have the performance. The M-ships would have been great in 1943.Mike M.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-14213852417003879612011-06-29T21:12:10.000-04:002011-06-29T21:12:10.000-04:00Mike,
Only one problem in your speech. UAV's ...Mike,<br /><br />Only one problem in your speech. UAV's have been a heavily maturing tech for over 60yrs. Just in case anyone forgot, <a href="http://evanflys.com/tdr-1" rel="nofollow">TDR-1</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Aphrodite" rel="nofollow">Lt. Joe Kennedy Jr, USN</a>, <a href="http://www.skyraider.org/skyassn/otherpics/mignard/navy/hellsky.jpg" rel="nofollow">Drones in Korea against tunnels</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QH-50_DASH" rel="nofollow">QH-50 DASH</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Firebee" rel="nofollow">FireBee</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_D-21/M-21" rel="nofollow">D-21</a>, are just a few which were promising the moon and the stars. Yet, in the end though they were sucessful, the final tally is the tech wasn't mature enough to survive or work right. I have heard everything from DASH birds taking off and flying away to disappear over the horizion or turning to attack its mothership with the torps, Firebees launched to do aerial recon over N. Vietnam on preplanned routes just disappear or turn and crash land in PRC side of the borders, the attempts to use F6F-5K's as drone birds was very dangerous to the launching carrier and a pain to keep flying as the NORKS and PRC attempted some early forms of EW warfare on those radio signals. We all know what happened to Joe Kennedy. All sorts of other target drones that have gone rogue and become true vampires that needed to be killed by the drilling units. <br />I have faith in UAVs will succeed, but those who have thier fingers in the pie need to quit selling the moon with these assets and accept they have limitations. As I noted below, it was recently proved that the RQ-1s were hackable. So if they are hackable then what would prevent false data from being sent up stream. Also I don't know about closed source, but open source hasn't talked about how well a UAV with a control site back in Tampa would do once one starts to zap our ComSats or if these assets go into a heavy EW region. Those are the questions the prophets need to ask and attempt to answer with regards to UAVs.Southern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-12755858531397990172011-06-29T20:12:51.000-04:002011-06-29T20:12:51.000-04:00Understood. My issue was not with the drone, but ...Understood. My issue was not with the drone, but the ship launching it. Assuming you are a shipborne controller sending that signal, any opposing EW type would quickly know (1) you are there and have a drone up and (2) where you are. <br /><br />You don't mind being detected and located? ...we know what the next steps are.FODnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-38356911703993716052011-06-29T19:22:27.000-04:002011-06-29T19:22:27.000-04:00Kind of like Charleton Heston picking up the swarm...Kind of like Charleton Heston picking up the swarm of killer ants one by one with a pair of tweezers. Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-44580580612122099942011-06-29T19:19:51.000-04:002011-06-29T19:19:51.000-04:00And soon enough, a homed on one.And soon enough, a homed on one.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-66700256221825369852011-06-29T19:18:57.000-04:002011-06-29T19:18:57.000-04:00mmm, not quite. Useful and effective, sure. Decisi...mmm, not quite. Useful and effective, sure. Decisive, nope.Grandpa Bluewater.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-16377528866991360862011-06-29T17:55:23.000-04:002011-06-29T17:55:23.000-04:00Yea i've heard what really killed the wolf pac...Yea i've heard what really killed the wolf packs in the atlantic was in many ways the blimps. They were always watchingJamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-270880860670696642011-06-29T17:22:54.000-04:002011-06-29T17:22:54.000-04:00there was a science fiction story in the fifties s...there was a science fiction story in the fifties sited in a war zone quite like viet nam. the bad guys were really up in arms because they would send armys of troops to the field and they would simply dissapear. as in gone, not there, evaporated.<br /><br />turned out that the enemy had uav's that simply shot at anything that shot at them. the ground army people would "hit the ground" when they flew over. naturally the noncoms and officers would shoot at the things and on the later passes the uav would target them and gradually kill off the brains of the group and then with the commisars gone the troops would fade away into the brush. <br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-88503222702873641692011-06-29T16:31:25.000-04:002011-06-29T16:31:25.000-04:00no competition at all ! right now, Firescouts ha...no competition at all ! right now, Firescouts have their body assembled by NG down in the Gulf Coast in Missiisippi. Then these partly built hulls are sent to California where A different NG finishes them off.<br /><br />Navy acquisition professionals would have to work harder if they were to get at least one other potential vendor and have him push NG to hold down costs and stand behind their new products.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-85111719009834734492011-06-29T16:09:46.000-04:002011-06-29T16:09:46.000-04:00Ahh, JS-kit turns to JSh*t one more time.Ahh, JS-kit turns to JSh*t one more time.UltimaRatioRegisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-20975130412097168332011-06-29T16:04:21.000-04:002011-06-29T16:04:21.000-04:00sal:
look below, i posted a sea story and the sys...sal:<br /><br />look below, i posted a sea story and the system printed it 4 times.<br /><br />i know my prose is riveting but why don' you get rid of the xtra three.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-68659508232823412782011-06-29T16:04:01.000-04:002011-06-29T16:04:01.000-04:00sal:
look below, i posted a sea story and the sys...sal:<br /><br />look below, i posted a sea story and the system printed it 4 times.<br /><br />i know my prose is riveting but why don' you get rid of the xtra three.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-89146321698582985862011-06-29T16:03:41.000-04:002011-06-29T16:03:41.000-04:00sal:
look below, i posted a sea story and the sys...sal:<br /><br />look below, i posted a sea story and the system printed it 4 times.<br /><br />i know my prose is riveting but why don' you get rid of the xtra three.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-40019503944828235392011-06-29T16:03:16.000-04:002011-06-29T16:03:16.000-04:00sal:
look below, i posted a sea story and the sys...sal:<br /><br />look below, i posted a sea story and the system printed it 4 times.<br /><br />i know my prose is riveting but why don' you get rid of the xtra three.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-40160888513910141812011-06-29T16:03:00.000-04:002011-06-29T16:03:00.000-04:00sal:
look below, i posted a sea story and the sys...sal:<br /><br />look below, i posted a sea story and the system printed it 4 times.<br /><br />i know my prose is riveting but why don' you get rid of the xtra three.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-90771329153451863232011-06-29T16:02:36.000-04:002011-06-29T16:02:36.000-04:00sal:
look below, i posted a sea story and the sys...sal:<br /><br />look below, i posted a sea story and the system printed it 4 times.<br /><br />i know my prose is riveting but why don' you get rid of the xtra three.<br /><br />Cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-36703337519322808782011-06-29T15:57:55.000-04:002011-06-29T15:57:55.000-04:00back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cru...back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cruisers that the navy converted to missile boats. the back end at least.<br /><br />i met a fellow who had been on one of them, Canberra, i believe. he told the following sea story.<br /><br />they were out shooting missiles one day and were at general quarters. (this being at general quarters during missile shoots was seen to be a worthless evoloution inflicted on the crew by rusty crusty shellbacks for torture purposes.) they launched one and things seemed to go well, when on the 1mc came the word "shoot, shoot, shoot. its comming back at us."<br /><br /> in about thirty seconds canberra developed the best aa gunners in the fleet (at least from the motivational side). i guess that one of the quad 40mm mounts finally got it but it got every ones attention. shortly thereafter they did get an E for AA gunnery.<br /><br />take it for what its worth.<br /><br />after that there was no problem with practice loading sesions particularly for the 40's and the 5".<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49837909888451284582011-06-29T15:57:35.000-04:002011-06-29T15:57:35.000-04:00back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cru...back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cruisers that the navy converted to missile boats. the back end at least.<br /><br />i met a fellow who had been on one of them, Canberra, i believe. he told the following sea story.<br /><br />they were out shooting missiles one day and were at general quarters. (this being at general quarters during missile shoots was seen to be a worthless evoloution inflicted on the crew by rusty crusty shellbacks for torture purposes.) they launched one and things seemed to go well, when on the 1mc came the word "shoot, shoot, shoot. its comming back at us."<br /><br /> in about thirty seconds canberra developed the best aa gunners in the fleet (at least from the motivational side). i guess that one of the quad 40mm mounts finally got it but it got every ones attention. shortly thereafter they did get an E for AA gunnery.<br /><br />take it for what its worth.<br /><br />after that there was no problem with practice loading sesions particularly for the 40's and the 5".<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-49492449439820504202011-06-29T15:57:15.000-04:002011-06-29T15:57:15.000-04:00back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cru...back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cruisers that the navy converted to missile boats. the back end at least.<br /><br />i met a fellow who had been on one of them, Canberra, i believe. he told the following sea story.<br /><br />they were out shooting missiles one day and were at general quarters. (this being at general quarters during missile shoots was seen to be a worthless evoloution inflicted on the crew by rusty crusty shellbacks for torture purposes.) they launched one and things seemed to go well, when on the 1mc came the word "shoot, shoot, shoot. its comming back at us."<br /><br /> in about thirty seconds canberra developed the best aa gunners in the fleet (at least from the motivational side). i guess that one of the quad 40mm mounts finally got it but it got every ones attention. shortly thereafter they did get an E for AA gunnery.<br /><br />take it for what its worth.<br /><br />after that there was no problem with practice loading sesions particularly for the 40's and the 5".<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-75007270053374862602011-06-29T15:55:02.000-04:002011-06-29T15:55:02.000-04:00back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cru...back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cruisers that the navy converted to missile boats. the back end at least.<br /><br />i met a fellow who had been on one of them, Canberra, i believe. he told the following sea story.<br /><br />they were out shooting missiles one day and were at general quarters. (this being at general quarters during missile shoots was seen to be a worthless evoloution inflicted on the crew by rusty crusty shellbacks for torture purposes.) they launched one and things seemed to go well, when on the 1mc came the word "shoot, shoot, shoot. its comming back at us."<br /><br /> in about thirty seconds canberra developed the best aa gunners in the fleet (at least from the motivational side). i guess that one of the quad 40mm mounts finally got it but it got every ones attention. shortly thereafter they did get an E for AA gunnery.<br /><br />take it for what its worth.<br /><br />after that there was no problem with practice loading sesions particularly for the 40's and the 5".<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-57807341225644346242011-06-29T15:54:42.000-04:002011-06-29T15:54:42.000-04:00back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cru...back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cruisers that the navy converted to missile boats. the back end at least.<br /><br />i met a fellow who had been on one of them, Canberra, i believe. he told the following sea story.<br /><br />they were out shooting missiles one day and were at general quarters. (this being at general quarters during missile shoots was seen to be a worthless evoloution inflicted on the crew by rusty crusty shellbacks for torture purposes.) they launched one and things seemed to go well, when on the 1mc came the word "shoot, shoot, shoot. its comming back at us."<br /><br /> in about thirty seconds canberra developed the best aa gunners in the fleet (at least from the motivational side). i guess that one of the quad 40mm mounts finally got it but it got every ones attention. shortly thereafter they did get an E for AA gunnery.<br /><br />take it for what its worth.<br /><br />after that there was no problem with practice loading sesions particularly for the 40's and the 5".<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-46528632082691459402011-06-29T15:54:23.000-04:002011-06-29T15:54:23.000-04:00back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cru...back in the sixties there was a class of heavy cruisers that the navy converted to missile boats. the back end at least.<br /><br />i met a fellow who had been on one of them, Canberra, i believe. he told the following sea story.<br /><br />they were out shooting missiles one day and were at general quarters. (this being at general quarters during missile shoots was seen to be a worthless evoloution inflicted on the crew by rusty crusty shellbacks for torture purposes.) they launched one and things seemed to go well, when on the 1mc came the word "shoot, shoot, shoot. its comming back at us."<br /><br /> in about thirty seconds canberra developed the best aa gunners in the fleet (at least from the motivational side). i guess that one of the quad 40mm mounts finally got it but it got every ones attention. shortly thereafter they did get an E for AA gunnery.<br /><br />take it for what its worth.<br /><br />after that there was no problem with practice loading sesions particularly for the 40's and the 5".<br /><br />cpknoreply@blogger.com