tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post1547331090508932887..comments2024-01-03T05:18:54.650-05:00Comments on CDR Salamander: Three aces on three tensCDR Salamanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05981221786954902349noreply@blogger.comBlogger79125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50860491515396866192010-10-18T09:44:56.000-04:002010-10-18T09:44:56.000-04:00(guest above was me)
SAP, that book has it wrong ...(guest above was me)<br /><br />SAP, that book has it wrong on who fired what. I was wrong on which Aegis boat it was. Now I remember it was <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1079/is_v86/ai_4323912/" rel="nofollow">the then spankin' new Yorktown</a>...a buddy of mine was aboard as an AIC aboard TAD from one of the VF squadrons.<br /><br /><b>Shortly after 6:00 p.m. (EST), a third Libyan patrol boat approached the USS YORKTOWN at a high rate of speed; the YORKTOWN fired two Harpoon missiles, which hit the Libyan craft.</b><br /><br />Anyway, he related that it ended up being a bogus track, and that they quickly learned of a recurring problem with the phenomenon.<br /><br />What wasn't recognized then was how <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/flight801/stories/july88crash.htm" rel="nofollow">that kind of anomalous data input presented unchecked can have severe consequences</a>....<br /><br />I will back up the weird radar problems in the Med, as it vexed me through 4 deployments...But I learned to get my face into the raw video and look at the quality of the return.<br /><br />Beware the<b> "Vincennes Effect"</b>....<br /><br />QC your underlying data.sidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-19862648026258851222010-10-18T08:54:31.000-04:002010-10-18T08:54:31.000-04:00Sort of. One of the Libya fast patrol crafts was z...Sort of. One of the Libya fast patrol crafts was zooming in towards the USS Yorktown. THe aircraft from either the USS America, Saratoga, nor the USS Coral Sea could get overhead in time for a shot. So the USS R. K. Turner took a shot. I forgot about that, but looked at one of my <a href="http://www.amazon.com/El-Dorado-Canyon-Reagans-Undeclared/dp/1557509832/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1287405990&sr=8-3" rel="nofollow">references for the actions again</a>. Still my basic point stands is that since the Harpoon was introduced in the late 70's US and the Iranians have been the only folks to use warshot versions of the Harpoon. The Iranians have RGM-84A's and were able to kill a pair of Iraqi OSA class patrol boats with them, and they tried to get a kill against the USS Wainwright in 1989. Due to SLQ-32 and RBOC, the missile went stupid and guided away from the cruiser. If anyone else out there in the world has gotten a warshot version of it off, then that is news to the world. So my question is when was a merchant vessel tagged by a Harpoon?Southern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50402629611465972312010-10-18T08:28:02.000-04:002010-10-18T08:28:02.000-04:00SAP, didn't the Tico launch one on a radar gho...SAP, didn't the Tico launch one on a radar ghost in the Gulf of Sidra in '86?<br /><br />Seems I remember something about that...And it was the first time an Aegis boat put too much stock into the symbology on their "million dollar boards"...<br /><br />I remember a few years earlier, a buddy in her commissioning crew sniffed, "We don't look at raw video..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-50974373239287561872010-10-18T03:34:47.000-04:002010-10-18T03:34:47.000-04:00in 1971 Pakistani submarine PNS Hangor sank the f...in 1971 Pakistani submarine <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNS_Hangor" rel="nofollow">PNS Hangor</a> sank the frigate <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Khukri" rel="nofollow">INS Khukri</a>, that would be another torpedo action...ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-24862927505699420632010-10-18T03:25:15.000-04:002010-10-18T03:25:15.000-04:00Japanese subs nailed Yorktown and Wasp, and German...Japanese subs nailed Yorktown and Wasp, and Germans managed to nail Courageous, Eagle and Ark Royal... USN subs kill list is probably best known to you all. Expect heavy losses by subs trying to kill CV, but I bet Chinese are willing to trade 10 Kilos for one CVN!ewok40knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-69277678355593137242010-10-18T01:51:29.000-04:002010-10-18T01:51:29.000-04:00As far as the world knows, there was only two time...As far as the world knows, there was only two times that a warshot of a Harpoon missile happened. Here is the photo. Where VA-85 used it against a Libyan Nanchchuket missile boat. The other time was in 1989 where VA-95 put two of them, with the USS Joesph Strauss using a surface launch version, along with two AGM-123's, four Mk 83's, and a pair of Mk20 Rockeye's and finally a AGM-62B Walleye into the Iranian Sahand (a Vosper Mk5 patrol boat) which didn't sink until several hours after Op Praying Mantis ended.<br />Lets see the Stark was hit while steaming on peace time conditions so there wasn't any self defense weapons turned on and no one was expecting a missile attack, so the most the ship . The Sammy B was struck by a mine not a missile I know a minor thing, the Stark was struck by two Exocet missiles of which only one actually detonated the other just spread a bunch of jet fuel around, the Cole was actually saved from worst due to bad bomb design.<br />The only modern shot of a torpedo, short of the suspected NORK usage over the summer, was in 1982 where the HMS Conqueror put three Mk8 torpedoes into a treaty armored light cruiser. You know the USS Phoenix, a cruiser that was put into service in 1938 and then sold off to the Argentines. Her armor scheme wasn't modern 20th century design either and she was struck by a world war two weapon.<br />The only other time a warshot happened was a sink-ex against the USS America, a few years back, but how many shots it took and what her water tightness won't be released anytime soon since it is classified. Something that NRL, NAVSEA, and a host of others did to see what it would really take to sink a modern carrier. Let alone the three major carrier fires in the sixties, where all three of them (Oriskany, Forrestall, Enterprise) were able to survive. Some where out there (damn google-fu for failing me), that said that what happened to both the Forrestall and the Enterprise was equivalent to surviving some strikes from AS-4 Kitchen class ASCM's. In the case of the Enterprise, she could have pulled into Pearl and taken on a Yorktown style repair job to steam back out for action if needed.<br />ThereSouthern Air Piratenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-10907762030447620262010-10-18T01:03:59.000-04:002010-10-18T01:03:59.000-04:00So far you have used insult and appeal to authorit...So far you have used insult and appeal to authority (your own self certified experience).<br />Try making a case using facts and examples. If you can, sonny.Grandpa Bluewaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-81835204297094220102010-10-17T23:02:27.000-04:002010-10-17T23:02:27.000-04:00Do you have even the slightest passing acquaintanc...Do you have even the slightest passing acquaintance with what a missile hit does to a warship?<br /><br />I was Repair 5A locker leader and later a CHENG on 2 ships.<br /><br />I was a Fire Control Officer on a DD.<br /><br />Have you any idea what you're asking?<br /><br />You want to look at what happened on Cole, S.B.Roberts or Stark?<br /><br />Holes don't meld all that well with late 20th century warships. Does it really matter how they got there? You should see what a torpedo does but I could send you a picture of what a harpoon does to a supertanker if you're interested.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-28157439419530357452010-10-17T22:48:11.000-04:002010-10-17T22:48:11.000-04:00Dude,
AQA?
WAPS
Ring a bell?
I was at sea with...Dude,<br /><br />AQA?<br /><br />WAPS<br /><br />Ring a bell?<br /><br />I was at sea with TASS. Not the 19 knot TACTASS. TASS.<br /><br />I'm a graduate of Coordinated ASW school and a LAMPS ATACO grad. I suppose that dates me. Still in.<br /><br />Oh, and I'm the other guest. 3364's anonymous comments were not directed at me.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-75538298960012989552010-10-17T22:28:31.000-04:002010-10-17T22:28:31.000-04:0020,000?
What's left there?
If it's like...20,000?<br /><br />What's left there? <br /><br />If it's like San Diego where, when I was young ships rafted out 2 and 3 abreast and where when I drive by now have 9 empty piers.... Seriously, 2 warships and a single big deck amphib and that's with 3 CVN at the pier. I don't think the missing FF, FFG, DDG are out training alongside the missing DD.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-15865786824668345782010-10-17T22:25:37.000-04:002010-10-17T22:25:37.000-04:00Was there at the twilight of Newport as a Naval Ba...Was there at the twilight of Newport as a Naval Base. Newport gave the navy hell over loud noise from the Navy beach and as a consequence the man with a pair invited the city to FOAD. I was just an OC at the time and loved it. <br /><br />I went to 7th and 8th grades there when the rent was stationed/assigned to the school. Coming back years later was a hoot.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-73579018537855590852010-10-17T22:19:22.000-04:002010-10-17T22:19:22.000-04:00Man,
My first visit there in my ex Air Force car w...Man,<br />My first visit there in my ex Air Force car with a DOD decal that worked just fine at Selfridge ANGB and every other place and the Marine directed me to use a different gate. I drove down to the next gate and turned right and the Marine directed me to a different gate down the road. I went down the road and turned right again and the marines held me for the officer of the day. Who knew that Pass and ID was on the left side of the road? I was an Army brat and figured that Pass and ID must be on the Navy base. I didn't really like that place and glad I wasn't stationed there. I learned more about it from the base CO at Level III antiterrorism. Poor bastard. 43 Flag Officer wives and way more kids living on his naval station after 9/11.<br /><br />Z5O something one would only get in a dismal and horrible place like Norfolk. In San Diego there would be bodies. We were the guardians of things and when 2 of 3 duty sections hit the armory to draw weapons every night for 19 months they shouted halt halt or I shoot at the guys giving them the weapons and ammo just to be able to say they shot those bastards after a friendly warning even if they were 500 feet away at the time.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-37649616408219370662010-10-17T22:06:35.000-04:002010-10-17T22:06:35.000-04:00There was this thing you know, in the Pacific Ocea...There was this thing you know, in the Pacific Ocean and while DVG managed to bag certain things....Necessary changes having been made, their weren't all that many for a great while there in the Atlantic.<br /><br />I haven't retired yet. Just a neophyte really.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-59105115391269475692010-10-17T21:57:52.000-04:002010-10-17T21:57:52.000-04:00yeah dude I am.
You want to go out and use a Mk ...yeah dude I am. <br /><br />You want to go out and use a Mk 48 on a CVN?<br /><br />You tell me the lat and long and I'll tell you where it sank.<br /><br />as random I got a few years with the "won the war" types on USENET. Then I got married.<br /><br />The only two times I served with the carrier beasts were not exceptionally credible. One persisted in steaming a mile outside the swept channel all the way up the Red Sea and the other was on fire in SOCAL.Guestnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-19015249993788333262010-10-17T21:43:36.000-04:002010-10-17T21:43:36.000-04:00I'd like to think that they tell the people li...I'd like to think that they tell the people living there before going all nuclear on 'em.<br /><br />First time I heard of the floating sections was from a docent on Midway last year. My destroyer could harldly make it out of the bay without running down the nav buoys. That whole bridge and CIC team were somewhat challenged.Curtisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-21077993926954918652010-10-14T17:54:49.000-04:002010-10-14T17:54:49.000-04:00Kevin - the urban legend I had heard was not htat ...Kevin - the urban legend I had heard was not htat it was made extra long to use up funds, but rather to qualify for Federal funding. Something about LT 2 mi long didn't qualify, but I don't know if I believe that one either.Andrewdbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-19773443294152790992010-10-14T17:34:16.000-04:002010-10-14T17:34:16.000-04:00My taste runs to recent hires who know it all, leg...My taste runs to recent hires who know it all, legends in their own minds, arrogant and largely unknowing. Yum.<br /><br />So how many greens have you seen/shot? And how many many active dippers and freshly dropped sonobouys have lit of 30 yards from your WQC hydrophone? Do you know what the inside of a hanger deck looks like at night through a periscope.<br /><br />Here's the real scoop, my younger friend. 10% of the boats, pilots and warships will get 80+ per cent of the kills. 10 -40 per cent will get shot down/sunk, depending on how good the enemy is. I mean KIA. And that assumes we win. The rest will do their best and be glad to survive and proud of whatever successes they got.<br /><br />Train hard my younger friend, as hard as you can. Pray for luck. Beg God for good subordinates.Grandpa Bluewaternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-3183851637451311672010-10-14T17:16:16.000-04:002010-10-14T17:16:16.000-04:00Easiest way to kill a carrier @ NASNI is to stealt...Easiest way to kill a carrier @ NASNI is to stealthily hijack a plane flying to SAN (or use a G5 loaded with expolosives). Divert a little to the left on final and boom. I'd say less than 30 secs reaction time from the time ATC notices the plane going off track.Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-71579669184136983402010-10-14T17:12:12.000-04:002010-10-14T17:12:12.000-04:00Easier for the chicoms to rent a downtown waterfro...Easier for the chicoms to rent a downtown waterfront condo. Beautiful carrier views from there. Plus you can track every ship transiting to/from 32nd St. Only thing they miss is sub movements.Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-57507062345683411192010-10-14T17:10:09.000-04:002010-10-14T17:10:09.000-04:00Not true according to this http://hubpages.com/hu...Not true according to this http://hubpages.com/hub/Coronado_Bridge and Ken Kramer, who is SD's unofficial historical trivia guru<br /><br />http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=37156116451Kevinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-66362828901882951912010-10-14T17:07:01.000-04:002010-10-14T17:07:01.000-04:00There was a ferry from downtown to NASNI, but it w...There was a ferry from downtown to NASNI, but it was deemed an FP hazard and killed a few months ago.<br /><br />http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/jan/15/north-island-ferry-dock-last-time/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-87177746810185290922010-10-14T10:24:52.000-04:002010-10-14T10:24:52.000-04:00As long as there are Marines near by, sure.....As long as there are Marines near by, sure.....Salty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-29736365894781834352010-10-14T10:23:19.000-04:002010-10-14T10:23:19.000-04:00be nice, Xformed. Byron doesn't know that. H...be nice, Xformed. Byron doesn't know that. He's our shipbuilding expert along with Wharf Rat....appreciate that he cares enough to know our PRO WordsSalty Gatornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-76009803333493802752010-10-13T14:43:19.000-04:002010-10-13T14:43:19.000-04:00I love it when the aged and retired are overconfid...I love it when the aged and retired are overconfident.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7704146.post-76281919647973404282010-10-13T14:40:38.000-04:002010-10-13T14:40:38.000-04:00<span>"Anyone who thinks otherwise will...<span>"Anyone who thinks otherwise will be shown the county line in a hurry."</span><br />-Happy to have those that agree, those that disagree shall be banished. Good way to make _some_ sailors feel wanted, probably the white ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com